it wasn't a state right, there was a federal right, enshrined in the constitution, for certain states to have slaves.
no need, I've been studying this issue for a long time, since I read the first Bruce Catton trilogy back in the sixties.
this discussion wasn't about honor. if Lee was so reprehensible, why did Lincoln offer him command of the union army?
He was certainly a talented general and like I said had honorable and noble qualities. People aren't merely their very worst traits or their very best. But, no matter what else he did, he believed in slavery, went to trial in an effort to keep his own personal enslaved humans to remain enslaved to him.
I did not say he didn't. I did say that's not why he turned down command of the union army, and joined the confederacy.
Basso has been studying this a long time. He has progressed to toddler level intellect now. Supports Haley and defends the statement she made which “was individual freedoms”, that’s the scary part.,.not that she didn’t mention slavery. She thought the civil war was the confederacy fighting for Individual freedoms (which we know involved taking freedom for others) now she walked it back and apologized saying it’s clearly about slavery , but this dumbass is still defending her and the initial position she even claimed was stupid, admittedly only because she has been shamed this guy might be the dumbest person on this board not to mention his routine neonazi and anti black views
No but you’ve repeatedly quoted and supported anti black views on this board you racist. It’s not a surprise you’re acting this way about slavery
Sure Robert E Lee felt it was his duty to fight for Virginia. Some of his own writings express doubts whether he felt the South could win. That still doesn't change that the base cause of the war was slavery. The slave states like Virginia wanted to keep it in perpetuity and the rest of the country didn't. This would be like saying Rommel didn't fight for Germany because of personal loyalty to Hitler. It doesn't change that Hitler was the main individual responsible for WWII.
And Lee is possibly the smartest strategist in US history. Having good generals though don't change the causes for the war. In many cases generals just see their duty as carrying out the will or cause of their country whether they believe it or not. The Japanese General Kuribashi had some serious reservations about the Japanese cause in WWII. Even before the battle of Iwo Jima he believed that the Japanese would lose and it would be better to negotiate than keep on fighting. That still didn't stop him from doing his duty and fighting to practically the last man in Iwo Jima. Pointing out that Kuribashi and other Japanese had doubts doesn't change that the cause of WWII in the Pacific was Japanese expansionism.
are you comparing Lee to Hitler? Spoiler I know you're not Spoiler but this underscores my point about not being able to have a reasoned, campaign trail, debate about the causes of the civil war
All I need to know about Nikki..... Nikki Haley said if she is elected president, she would pardon the orange man if he's convicted of a crime. The GOP only wants criminals convicted and serving their sentences if they aren't party members or associates. Nikki is no different the rest of the hypocrites in their party.
Nope, you don't get charity when you do evil things you get to be held accountable. Trump is on the wrong side of dirt. DD
Spoiler No I’m comparing to Lee to Rommel. If you don’t get that then you’re the one with the issue of having a rational debate.
And you aren't as sure as I was. It's politically stupid. If there is a chance people think she is for (personal or state right to) slavery, her political career is dead. You don't step on that bomb and it wasn't hidden. It came with blinking flashing red lights.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...nald-trump-ron-desantis-caucuses/72030934007/ Prominent Iowans endorse Nikki Haley, say this 'Iron Lady' is best choice for president Happy New Year, Iowa! In a nation rife with division, 75 percent of Americans agree we want choices for president other than Joe Biden and Donald Trump. We are among them. Two weeks ago, Kevin Williamson wrote in the Wall Street Journal, "Nobody makes boots tall enough to wade through the avalanche of bulls--t headed our way in the next 11 months." He nailed it. The Biden and Trump families likely will be in courtrooms dealing with criminal, ethics and tax charges for years. America doesn’t have to be. America can do better. Our shared 2024 New Year’s resolution is to urge Iowans and Americans to elect a new, different, younger and stronger president to take office in January 2025. We can also make Iowa and American history in an entirely new way. 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Ray, who served as governor from 1969 to 1983, talked then about how important it was for America to constantly explain and defend western values of freedom, democracy and human rights at the U.N. As ambassador, Haley did that every day, earning bipartisan and global respect. Haley was the first woman governor of South Carolina and the fifth woman to serve as America’s ambassador to the U.N. Some of us remember Golda Meir, the first woman prime minister of Israel, and Margaret Thatcher, the first woman prime minister of the U.K. Both were known in their respective countries as "The Iron Lady." In a turbulent world, this is not the time to elect a former president who carries chaos with him every day. Or to reelect a president who ducks, dithers and delays. It is time for the United States, the world’s oldest democracy, to elect an "Iron Lady" president. Haley is our nation’s best strategic choice next year. The electoral process starts in Iowa; its best outcome can begin here, too. Starting well behind others but working hard, Haley has become known, liked, respected and admired here. Her logic, ideas and toughness with a winsome persona win hearts and minds across Iowa every day. A core team with many women — Sen. Chris Cournoyer, Emily Sukup Schmitt, Dawn Roberts, Mary Ann Hanusa and others — has been joined by men and women of all ages and parts of Iowa’s GOP "big tent" and independents, too. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ Iowa polling numbers have dropped over the past year, while Haley’s numbers have tripled and continue to rise. Iowans should also pay attention to the recent New York Times-Siena College Poll comparing top Republican contenders vs. President Biden in the general election. The numbers are stunning: DeSantis 45, Biden 45 — a discouraging tie and possible loss in the offing… Trump 47, Biden 43 — a modest lead on which no one would bet the farm… Haley 51, Biden 34 — a blowout 17-point lead helped by women and independents. A big win at the presidential level would be of great help to Iowa’s four Republican House members and GOP legislative candidates on the ballot next November. A big win is also a "means to an end" bringing overdue policy changes — strengthening national security, closing the open border, limiting out of control federal spending, growing our economy and creating millions of good jobs. Some still deny, obfuscate or minimize Trump-era election results in 2018, 2020 and 2022. The hard truth is Republicans lost elections all over the country. The national "red wave" never showed up. Indeed, we have lost the popular vote for president in seven of the last eight elections after 1988. Do Republicans want to keep losing? Or do we want to stride with strength into the future? How about winning big enough so no one doubts the outcome? Republicans haven’t seen anything close to a 17 percentage-point win since Reagan beat Mondale by 18 points in 1984! Iowa has been fortunate to start the presidential election process for 48 years. Unfortunately, national Democrats have kicked the Iowa Caucus to the curb. In our Republican Caucus, Iowans can propel a well-qualified woman forward in the presidential selection process. The opportunity is right in front of us: The challenge is hard; the stakes are high. If we get this right, Iowa can lead in nominating and electing a new, transformational president. We can make great history for our caucuses, our party, our state and our nation. If you agree with our New Year’s resolution, we invite you to join us. Please vote for Nikki Haley Monday evening, Jan. 15. Thanks for reading and Happy New Year! Christine Hensley of Des Moines is a former Des Moines city councilwoman, and David Oman of Des Moines is a former chief of staff for Govs. Robert Ray and Terry Branstad and a former Iowa GOP co-chair. Also contributing to this column were former state Rep. Carmine Boal of Ankeny; Ray Gaesser of Corning, former president of the Iowa and American Soybean associations; Mary Kramer of Urbandale, former Iowa Senate president and former ambassador to Barbados and the Eastern Caribbean; and state Rep. Brian Lohse of Bondurant.
