I think he has a good shot at becoming the most famous player to wear it. https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/numbers.cgi?number=28
I don't really understand the point of making the argument that Sengun might reach "super stardom" or "Franchise level player". How does that impact how we move forward as a team? Sengun is our only draft pick that is close to all star level player in the past 3 years, he's going to be central to our team and we are liklely going to max him if he continues to improve. I mean what does it matter if Sengun will never become Hakeem level, most players don't. He's not due for a contract extension until next year, what exactly are you afraid of if he doesn't become Embiid or Hakeem. when you draft a all star level player you keep them and give them minutes, especially when they are 21 years old. Why does it matter if people label him franchise player or not, it's not like he's taking salary or playing time from other talent on the roster.
That was kind of my point. It doesn’t matter because even if he isn’t a top 5 player, it’s the right hand to play at the table. Moving on from Sengun because he isn’t projected to be a top 5 talent but at the same time is looking like a damn good all star you can run your offense through, would be like hitting at the blackjack table when you have a 17 and the dealer has a 6. I mentioned the Karl Malone “what if” scenario too which I think paints a good picture where let’s say Sengun is projected currently to be at that all star level but likely never to be on the other worldly level that the top 5 talents will be at, you still continue down that path because with a Stockton, maybe then the equation equals similar outcomes. That’s why I’m saying that both the development of the other youngsters and this summers free agency search is going to be key assuming we continue down the Sencentric system… which we should. Even though it’s unlikely we hit three blackjacks in a row, at least we know we’ll be able to stay at the table long enough to have a real good time and walk away with something to show for it.
I get the sentiment about a player only fan who only talks about his player and tries to push him regardless of what is happening in reality. But in Sengun's case the sengunatics were right. It actually was in the best interest of the rockets to feature sengun as early as possible. He was the best prospect. He has all-star, all-nba, franchise player, mvp potential. He deserved to be developed most and he got the opposite treatment. And there were many sengunatics that defended this opinion with very sound arguments, only to be dismissed because they were only fans. And like many others you never mention the haters, who were just as toxic as the toxic only fans, and who in addition rooted for the worst interest of the rockets with really extremely bad arguments. I am guessing sof are so visible (because they are new to the forum) the toxicity from the old time posters is just not seen at all. At least let's give every toxic poster their due.
It’s funny because nobody out there said that the Rockets needed to do more with Sengun more than @Nook last season and now he can’t even catch a break with some here because the reality of the situation is just more nuanced. Some operate with this cult like behavior and it’s bizarre. And nobody here deserves some Medal of Honor for predictions because nobody really thought Sengun was hot garbage. Most people loved him despite the issues on defense last year that left some area for discussion on his role etc. The issue is the Sencult sniffs out a small area of debate as an inroad to start a turf war. However as you say yes maybe there are some Sengun “haters” out there but as they say every reaction has an equal but opposite reaction. Not apologizing for them but it’s understandable how someone can subconsciously be projecting his fans onto Sengun himself. There were a bunch of people who liked Jeremy Lin but just wanted him gone eventually just because his only fans were so toxic. I try to stay away from the urge to pull the “ignore” lever but maybe that’s just the only solution at this point.
Nook caught more flak with his Rafael Stone takes and KPJ takes because they were not that popular back then.
The funny thing is nook is one of my favorite posters and I never mentioned his name. Of course you have to start your post by pointing out how horrible sofs are. So let's get this medal thing straight. Nobody wants a medal, but maybe, just maybe, it is understandable that they expect some acknowledgement that they had eye for talent and they were not blindly pushing a player that is not talented. But that is not understandable for you. No sympathy for sof! Basically you are saying, Sengun only fans are the worst, and it is natural that you hate them, and if that causes you to not like Sengun that's understandable too!!. In the end you are refusing to acknowledge the toxicity of other posters. So you don't really have a problem with toxic fans in the general. And when you do that, no matter how you decorate your argument, it reduces to simple hating.
Sengun will be one of the best offesive centers in NBA, in my eye, he is already top 6-7. The thing l like him about is he is humble, he has the best basketball career in this young core -he has MVP epaulette in Europe and played professional basketball and plays in the national basketball team-, he has zero ego. This is the luck of Rockets fans and franchise. They have a super offensive talented center, Humble, zero ego, Hard working and improving day by day. He has the gift to carry a team to championship, but he needs his Robin. Will it be Jabari or Green or someone ? Time will show. Although l sometimes criticise Green, in my heart, l want all of these players be successfull. I like them, I just feel Jalen needs to mature, Sengun should stop hesitating about 3 pt shot and Jabari has to be more consistent.
Why interesting. It is a normal language learning process, whether English, Chinese,Turkish, italian,...The most difficult part is to find someone accept to go out with you when your linguistic skills limited. Alp pays his respect to EG.
He had an interpreter and translator dude with him, so Ego spoke more with that guy, was not always a girl.
A lot of it is semantic. What do you mean by "franchise player." People are talking/arguing over each other's head because they define franchise player differently. It seems there are at least three levels of definition. 1. The best player on the team 2. A player who has shown enough potential that is worth build around 3. The kind of player who can (present tense) carry a team, either a mediocre supporting cast to the playoffs or a good supporting cast to championship contention At this point, very few people would deny that Sengun is at least on Level 1. Most people would agree that Sengun is on Level 2. There are a few that is still cautious about too high of an expectation. Level 3 is rare. If Level 3 is the official definition of a franchise player, then less than half of NBA teams have a franchise player. Not all Level 2 players turn into Level 3. Sengun is clearly not on Level 3 yet. If he was, we would be a clear playoffs team. But we are only at the fringe. A lot of the arguments are between 2 and 3. For Sengun fans, Sengun being on Level 2 is a guarantee of Level 3. So they are offended when people say, "Sengun is not a franchise player (yet)." Other Sengun fans believe that a Level 2 player can properly be called a franchise player and are arguing from that assumption. Most people who say Sengun is not a franchise player yet define the term with Level 3 and believe that "Sengunatics" are cultist fanatics who believe Sengun is already a franchise player. I suggest that when you are arguing, state clearly your definition to eliminate needless back and forth over each other's head.
Why can't we all relax about this franchisy thing.....this thing is becoming the new Lebron vs Jordan Goat conversation which will not subside and is really boring to begin with. A lot of people want their franchise players to jump around, shoot accurately, and show boat a lot, well, at least Sengün can do the last part. So courtesy to the foreigner who is representing an American city and sports team...
Yeah for a second I’m like just them 2?! I mean I’ve used Google translate to talk to foreign strippers before. It was probably the same thing!
