I always viewed offensive as something that is bothersome to me AND requires my action. For instance, someone provoking me into an argument on racism by using racial remarks or someone attempting to get me to eat meat. I never viewed statements or gestures by others as offensive just as they are. When statements are made as a way to oppress me, someone who cannot defend themselves or someone for whom I either have a personal or ethical attachment to AND force me into action, then it becomes offensive. I can understand bobrek being offended by someone taking a sacred holiday and changing it to something that took away from its meaning, but it would seem that rather than wipe out the abbreviation from the planet, it would simply be more practical to wipe it from one's own vocablulary and celebrations although I understand why you feel the way you do. For me, it would only be offensive if someone were trying to make me use X-Mas if I believed the holiday was sacred. In the instance of the paper, I wasn't offended by them changing X-Mas to Christmas (or saying they would) because it meant really nothing to me, but I would most definitely understand a Christain being offended if someone forced them to use X-Mas instead of Christmas. If I were a Christian, that would down right piss me off. Now I would NEVER be offended by Mother F*cker UNLESS someone was directing the statement at me in a threatening manner. The words are simply words and nothing else until they are pointed at someone in a threatening way. In fact, I would probably find it exhausting to be offended by those words considering how often you can hear them in certain situations. As for what is pathetic, no offense, but calling someone pathetic for supporting their beliefs is probably the most pathetic thing you could do. You are, in essence, turning a person's beliefs into a source of scorn and humor. The problem is that those sentiments could easily be turned around to reflect your beliefs making them not so funny. I, personally, don't find X-Mas offensive or mother f*cker for that matter. It is bordering on offensive, however, to call what someone believes "pathetic" no matter how silly or different or odd you find those beliefs. For example, DREAMer and I rarely see eye to eye on matters of religion, but I would NEVER be caught dead invalidating (or attempting to invalidate) his beliefs because I found them different or wierd or whatever. How could I possibly doing that knowing my liberal, tree-hugging, vegetarian, eastern religion, philosophical ass could be as easily held up for ridicule as anyone's? ------------------ Mmmmmmm. Sacrelicious.
Jeff, Thanks, you saved me a lot of time. I wanted to respond to the post you are referring to, but I wasn't in the mood to type a long drawn out response. You said everything I would've just about to a "T". ------------------ "I have a DREAM.........his name's Hakeem." DREAMer's Rocket Page
Jeff, Actually, I think we see very close to "eye to eye" on religion. I think we both believe people should be able to believe whatever they want and not be persecuted for it. Just because we don't "believe in" the same things.... somewhat, doesn't mean we don't have a similar approach to our beliefs. ------------------ "I have a DREAM.........his name's Hakeem." DREAMer's Rocket Page
Good point. I think I just meant specific religious beliefs but, in general, you are absolutely correct. ------------------ Mmmmmmm. Sacrelicious.
We're b****ing about abbreviations and stuff.. I thought it was just a gen-z thing. Merry Christmas clutchies
My older son was about to have his first Christmas when this thread was made. I was 26. Man, that was a lifetime ago. “spoke” to Jeff by email the other day. What a great guy.
And you could put a garage sale by calling a newspaper which everyone bought and lavished in (burning trees)
Damn dude. I’m in my 30s. So I’ll be mid 50s with that Same gap when I revisit a thread I did see some on here when I was 16-17 first posting. **** be weird