ClutchFans Game Thread: Hawks @ Rockets 12/20/2023

Yeah, umm, again, as a Hawks season ticketholder who had the (dis)pleasure of watching John Collins for a few seasons, nobody here misses him and all us wish the Hawks would have traded him awhile ago. Rumor was that there was a deal on the table of Collins and another player (I think Capella?) for Bradley Beal and a draft pick, and the Hawks said no.

This is why the Hawks are the Hawks. Rockets, don't become the Hawks.

 

Hard disagree on Klay - I don't think there's any evidence at all from what we've seen of Jabari being an elite movement catch & shoot guy like Thompson, nor is he able to defend fast perimeter guys like Klay.

I guess what I'm saying is that in the NBA there's very stark phase transitions between star and role player - being a 50-40 guy who can pass doesn't seem like that much more than a 47-36 guy who can't, but the difference is usually the first guy you hand $40 million and the other guy is Trevor Ariza.

 

It is your job, since you brought it up, but much like Jalen Green from 15 feet last night, you can't finish it.

Anyway last time I read your posts, you were blathering on about "full rebuilds" and how they should take 5-10 years, and that any attempt to add veterans was doomed to failure - with your signature blend of humordivergent crankiness that's about as exciting as a prostate exam.

Glad nobody listened to you/enjoy the season

 

not really. its on you who actually makes the campaign. I just laugh at it for very good reasons. there's nothing to finish, your posts in that thread kill yourself with how embarassing they were

last time you read my posts you replied to it which was last night and here we are.

LOL guess what they're still in full rebuild and they still have a long ways to go. especially when their #2 pick is still struggling in year 3. are you under some assumption the full rebuild is over? you probably are since your bball IQ is so bad. yeah adding dumbass veterans is stupid. good vets are the ones who are relevant. Case in point, adding John collins your star has been horrendous to a young jazz team who they now want to kick to the curb. but but hes a good vet. nah wrong.

I'm never worried about who listens and who doesn't. a lot of you losers are. There's only a handful of folks that actually know wtf they're talking about around here. if people listened to you the rockets would have sorry ass john collins, fatboy zion, and ben broken simmons.

 

if people listened to your clownishly morose missives we'd be starting Amen Thompson and Cam Whitmore and be as bad as Detroit - thankfully this exact quote of mine proved prescient, though probably due to luck:

while you preached the stale ennui of FULL REBUILD like the world's most annoying general contractor

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See what I did there? Quotes! And by the way the Rockets are going to win way more than 30 games, as things stand right now.

 

Amen Thompson was never my preference from day 1 so making up trash claims well that just makes you look even more stupid. Never said Cam should start either but definitely wanted him as a pick. and boy has he shown to dominate. But smart folks like myself understand a 18/19 kid is going to struggle to get minutes on a crowded team. Stuff like that goes over your head but we know why.

yeah you're quoting stuff that's valid. i stand on it. you continue to move the goal posts cause you've been checked over and over and over. it's amusing and how the sarcasm goes over your head because your idiotic campaign for john collins and giving up assets to get him and his horrendous contract. more examples of dumb ball iq. thanks

listening to you we'd field a team of ben broke body simmons. fat zion. and a loser john collins. now all those guys we know you've advocated to acquire. those are actual facts.

 

You stand on the fact the Rockets should not have signed FVV, Brooks, Green, Jock the Beast Landale, or other veteran non star talent because it disrupts the FULL REBUILD?

Now you're saying something interesting! Please elaborate!

 

clearly over your head. you're trying to correlate john collins to the rockets offseason. newsflash it doesn't have anything to do with it whatsoever.

dumb bball iq will dumb bball iq

 

You didn't say "John Collins" - you said and I quote

overpay a bunch of role players for years.

Now they want to pick up ok players that aren't actual stars
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You're not even mentioning John Collins - you're speaking in plural of "players" - in fact one of those posts is from this thread, where you told us, in your mind numbingly dull first generation chatbot way, over and over again, that any attempt to add role players was futile because, you know FULL REBUILD

You said, over and over again that the Rockets shouldn't bother with any non star veterans

Obviously you were wrong (unless you are telling us that FVV Brooks Jeff Green are stars)

 

yeah i wonder where that's relative to. oh bc of you personal campaign of john collins. all of that applies to him. its players bc there's plenty of others like him. but oh look what thread is that in. John Collins? ok

once again over your head. yeah they shouldn't bother with john collins bc he's not a star and he's a non relevant vet. and he would cost assets. #overyourhead

Atl got sick of him and tried for years to find a sucker. Utah is already sick of him after less than 3 months into the season

John Collins is nothing like FVV/Uncle Jeff. Two nba champs. Two proven nba well respected vets. Two proven rotational players that impact winning.

you're under this silly assumption John Collins is in the same group as them. That's where your dumb bball iq kicks in

 

John Collins is not even mentioned in the thread or frankly in most of dozens of posts or threads where you're blathering on about FULL REBUILD and how the Rockets shouldn't waste time with and again, I quote, "a bunch of role players" rather than rookies and stars

I guess your position now is that that doesn't include FVV, Green, Brooks because... something something.

I can't wait till Amen Thompson hits (he probably won't) but you'll retroactively claim to have called it all along! Lol.

 

yeah more stupidity on your part and lame goal post attempts. remember when i said there's only a handful of folks that actually know what they're talking about around here. you continue to confirm that as part of the outside looking in

more Amen reference as you clearly can't read. i guess its that old man syndrome. Poor man's DD over here

 

Buddy, I've gotten to many annoying post wars with @DaDakota and that bro's Rizz is Martin Lawrence compared to your Lawrence Welk

 

you and him are in the same boat and cut from the same cloth. that's why

 

Our boatload of cloth will be the centerpiece of our trading empire you vile peasant.

Have fun at harvest time

 

I would say you pretty well nailed things here. Jabari is supposed to be all world in 1 1/3 year of NBA....yet, it is SOOOO EASY to show how most players, even high level stars. just don't start to blossom until after 2-3 years. There are rare exceptions but,there is a long list of underperformers their first couple or three years that finally "get it". The fact is that Jabari is 20 years old, consistently rebounds very well, defense is also pretty solid and, as he starts to become a bigger part of the offense( and he will), will make his detractors seem kind of foolish. In the meantime ...carry on while overlooking the "first and second options" shortcomings.

 

1. We don’t run an offense like GS so you won’t see Bari move like Klay … but he does move off the ball like asked in (this offense)

2. You can’t past Klay being a SG and Bari being a PF … no one said he was going to defend PG / SG like Klay .. he will defend SF-C depending on matchups

but hey you seem to be standing by your statements and more power to you… it’s okay to be loud and wrong

 

Folks forget NBA players used to spend 4-5 years in college and come out when they were 23-25, you ended up with more polished players … now you have kids 1 and done and folks don’t want to give them the 3-4 years to develop.. they feel they should instantly be able to bang and compete vs grown men.

 

What happened that our defensive rating suddenly dropped so much?

 

The recent losses, where Rockets didn't hold their opponents under 105 pts (tough to do in today's NBA). Bucks and Hawks defeats.

When our DEFRTG improves and OFFRTG go down, we usually win. When the opposite, DEF deteriorates but offense improves, we lose.

Ideal is DEF top 3, but OFF is in the 14th-17th range (instead of the 20's).