It's time to start thinking about moving Jalen before the deadline

I'm not a college, gleague bb nerd but his highlights were just him dunking the ball. I don't know what those scouts saw in him but back in the day i had seen nothing in him to suggest that he could've been our cornerstone.

 

His scouting report was him having elite dribble separation and blow by ability and greet second and third gear with great body control and balance at such high speeds. His leaping and jumping ability was low on his list of what made draft scouts exited about him. Scouts never saw him as some future prolific posterizer who would dunk through the chest of defenders. They saw him as essentially a taller AI as a ceiling who can do a lot of stuff off balance at high speeds.

You couldn't be more wrong.

 

I get the long term approach. I do.
But for that vision to be realized, you still got to have that scoring threat eventually.
And if your going to keep the roster more or less as it is, you have to be seeing a guy we already have filling that need at some future juncture.

If its not going to be Green, it has to be someone else.
Bari? Tari? Cam? Amen? Alpi? Who else has that kind of ceiling?

 

I think you can say that to some extent about virtually every lotto pick ever - they all could afford to take shortcuts because their natural ability would prevail on most nights. None of them realized how HARD they have to work until they got here got their "Welcome to the NBA" moment. I don't think Jalen is unusual in that. I think what IS unusual is that the organization didn't have more adults in the room showing him what that hard work and what the attention to details looked like. For example your middle school band director may be sufficient for a beginning musician but isn't going to be as effective at growing great musicians as the guy who is a master teacher and knows what it takes to get to the highest levels. Silas did the best he could, but he didn't have that context and our organization underestimated just how wide of a gulf there was from Silas and his staff and what these young guy needed - ESPECIALLY Jalen.

 

John Wall was going to be that guy.
But then, he wasnt.

 

Yeah, I think Wall was similarly a gifted athlete like Jalen and he worked hard....but I'm not sure if he ever was the one who paid attention to those details because similar to Jalen, he had a lot he could get away with as a superior athlete. Maybe he would gamble defensively and take himself out of a place to make a play on the ball but he was fast enough to recover and contest shots anyway where as the details are more about not opening yourself up to giving your opponent any advantage at all. FWIW, ALL those things caught up with him the second his injuries sapped some of that athletic advantage - that's why he fell off so quickly.

 

I meant it as he was said to be a guy to instruct our young guns, and then he was banished from playing or being around the team at all.
Probably some holes in my memory of those events, but this is the gist of what I remember.
Just pointing out that there was someone who was suppose to lead and help.
The adult in the room, so to speak.

 

Ceiling in terms of self creation?

Only Sengun. I don't think any of the other guys have the same ceiling in terms of self creation. Green is featured less and is struggling and still has defenses overloading his side often trying to limit the spacing around him.

 

That, plus efficient scoring and capable of putting up monster numbers.

 

Which paragraph discusses how a scoring guard needs to be assertive and have a mark on the game? I only see reasons why we should lower or shift expectations.

 

It's all about shooting and doing so efficiently and Jalen isn't doing it.

Jalen is shooting .333 from 3 point distance.

Jalen is shooting .333 from the mid range.

He's .339 from 3 for his career. That career number is significant. He hasn't improved since his rookie season.

If he can't shoot better than that, he's an abject failure.

 

Edit: Wrong thread

 

This dude needs to go like today.

sick of him.

just pure garbage. It’s not a hyperbole to say he’s one of the worst players in the league.

 

The problem is there's always going to be a mismatch somewhere . Sengun and FVV PnR is our best hope for consistent offense. At least teams are taking us somewhat seriously now.

Jalen needs at least another 2-3 years in the weight room . OR be granted a miracle and his shooting goes up about 2 standard deviations.

His prototype is more like Trae young or steph curry. I hope we dont get Zach Lavine, that guy isnt a winning player unless you are paying him like 10-15 mil.

IMO we built this team for Green and for green to step up , but also have pressure on him. FVV , Brooks, Jabari/tari , and Sengun is a good defensive complement to him . He is usually guarding the other teams weakest offensive player . To his credit , our overall defense has been good , so at least hes not screwing it up that much ... but he is one of our weakest defensive players. To me , its mostly still about effort. Now that he is sharing creation duties with everyone .... he needs to be spending more effort on D.

I still dont think I've seen him go to the floor for a loose ball.

 

The clock is really ticking on him, we can defend him and say he needs more time, but his trade value is likely at an all time low right now and there is not much downside left so there is no point in trading him away. We do need to figure out if Amen or Cam can contribute or make a trade for someone who can, ideally without giving up Jalen. Fred leads the league in minutes, if we are going to make a push for playoffs we cant be running Fred 40 mins a night. Not sure who we could trade, but we need someone to put in real minutes. It may just require a lineup change with him moving to the bench and only playing 20 minutes a game, the more he plays the lower his trade value will get. It would be better if we limit his minutes and have him put up efficient numbers for a year in limited minutes to build some value.

 

With 5 minutes left against Cleveland, another no show performance from Jalen Green.

 

i find watching Jalen Green probe the defense from the perimeter an unpleasant experience

 

He’s gone by the deadline.

 

Ima watch him take over OT and shut y'all up.

 

you mean watch him hide from the ball when the game is close like he always does?