It's time to start thinking about moving Jalen before the deadline

Sounds to me like you guys are just going to ignore the stats he's put up over the past two plus seasons - He's showing us exactly who he is as a player.

In many cases, the numbers were best in his rookie season and have flatlined since.

FG% .426 as a rookie is his best.
3point % .343 as a rookie, again his best.
EFG% .508 as a rookie, his high water mark.
TS% .547 as a rookie, a career best.

Maybe I look too much at the numbers .... It's just hard for me to believe he's going to do what he hasn't.






Maybe I look too much at the numbers ...

 

I am not ignoring his numbers.
But what that tells us is what he has done in the past.
The past doesnt predict the future.
Some of us think his future may be better.
But its also possible his future will be no better than his past.

But this is what it comes down to.

Can he break out or not?

 

I think it is too early to trade Jalen Green for several reasons. First off, despite his non-improvement in his offensive #'s in the first quarter of the season, he has typically improved as the season has progressed - so his present performance may be his floor. Secondly, like all the other young Rocket's players, his defense and rebounding is better than last year with Ime's system and Fred & Dillon providing defensive leadership. Thirdly, he does give us something that other players - other than Cam Whitmore - do not have - which is high end shot making ability off the dribble. I would be patient and let things play out at least until the all-star break/trade deadline and probably wait all the way through Restricted Free Agency in 2025. His frame is still filling out, he is still learning how to play winning basketball, he has shown signs of being able to create shots for others (although inconsistently) and he is still really young. Ime is creating a culture of accountability. Jalen seems to have a good work ethic and I expect he will respond positively and improve as the season progresses.

While I think Jalen's ceiling is still that of an all-star (although more age 25-29 seasons), I am pessimistic that Jalen will ever be the Franchise Player - his shot still looks the same (broken form) after 3 years. His jumper starts from his left hip and that causes an unnecessary side to side arc that the great shooters don't seem to have - makes it tough to have a consistent long distance shot. (In contrast, Amen's broken shot has less to correct as it starts in the correct shooting pocket already.)

Ultimately, I think the decision on whether to keep Jalen will come down to cost. Is he willing to suck it up and take less than the max for his second contract?

 

What rebuilding team would want a guy whose rookie contract is about to expire? We would have plenty of time to wait for Green's development if we didn't have to worry about having to give him a big contract or let him walk for nothing. Anyone who trade for him would have the same problem.

 

There is another thread that actually looks at his numbers and compares him to other star players who had similar trajectory in their first 3 seasons. But then those of you cried "context." I guess if the numbers serve the right narrative, we look at them. If they don't serve my narrative, then you need context.

I never understand the thinking: This guy sucks. Trade him for a better player.

Well, if he sucks, why would any team want him and give you a better player?

A lot of people talk about players like they have a crystal ball and are sure about the future while all other GMs don't. Some people were sure guys like Sengun and Jabari would never amount to anything. Well look at them now. Some people were sure KPJ would be a star if we didn't lock him up with a big signing. Well look at him now. The fact is, nobody knows for sure the future of a player. The best we can do is make some quasi-educated guess of the likelihood of what will transpire.

I am not against trading Green if some team comes knocking on the door and offer something really good. What I am against is shopping him at this point of his career.

 

Because you sweeten the deal by throwing in picks and/or other players that dont suck.

 

Intriguing, maybe other players would shake free as well.....

 

jalen williams who's continuing to blossom in his 2nd year says no they don't

 

Sacramento will be contender for sure with Lauri but Atlanta ain’t going nowhere even with that addition, and why the heck OKC in the Market?

 

One that is just starting the process, the Spurs for example, or the Jazz, or someone that is blowing it up this year, maybe the Warriors as they fall - etc.

There will be plenty of people that would take a chance on Green...he isn't a terrible player, just not an efficient one yet.

DD

 

Jalen’s value ain’t that high and him being (mostly) #1 usage player during his career have shown too much what he can brings to the table. I would say he’s value is still good but he’s on a level of Jaden Ivey, and Jordan Poole.
We can definitely let him test the water since we have right to match the contract but with only 2 max rookie extension to go for every organization I would think hard for giving him a max.

 

Media will throw in OKC in every rumor because of their picks.

 

It's easier to fix than to get good return. Just needs a real trainer that specializes in finishing around the basket.

 

and okc is in no rush. Their team is literally growing organically together. Jalen is doing what he supposed to be. absolutely 0 reason to go after Lauri at the expense of their immediate core which includes a very talented Jalen. Jalen gives okc everything they need now that Lauri can provide outside of playing in the league longer. and he doesn't cost nearly as much. oh and Jalen isn't nearly as injury prone either

 

jalen williams isn't skinny and certainly doesn't play that way

 

Jalen Green+Tate+2024 Brooklyn first+2025 Brooklyn swap?