Did Hamas bake a baby in an oven? Claim explored as Israeli first responder's claim sparks outrage online (msn.com) They cannot confirm whether Hamas put the baby in the oven and turned it on, or if the parents hid the baby in the oven and it baked as a result of Hamas killing the parents and burning the house. So, a baby died in an oven and Hamas killed it, but whether or not they intentionally or accidentally baked it is a question to which we will never know the answer. Whichever happened, responding to it with the quote, "With or without baking powder" doesn't speak well of the character of the man who said it. That's why I posted it.
There’s those nazi genes! “Go hitler! Do what is necessary to make Germany aryan!” -ATWs relatives during ww2
Hmm I spent some time looking into it and it is based on the claim of one Israeli responder. There isn’t any evidence that it happened otherwise. So I guess the right answer is that we don’t know for certain. It’s only relevant to me because of the tweet it was used in. I don’t question that many children have died on both sides.
I wasn’t aware of most of his tweets - I mostly know him from his writing and interviews before the Hamas attack. Most of his writing discusses occupation but not like the tweets you posted.
He had 25 family members murdered by the Israeli military - many of them women and children. They killed his kid and his brother years ago. So while I don’t agree with him - I understand why he hates Israel. His earlier writings were not violent - but pessimistic.
It depends - if he didn’t believe that the baby was put in the oven and finds it outrageous, then he could respond outrageously. Based on what he wrote years ago, I believed he was being sarcastic to what he felt was an absurd claim. However - based on the tweets after the invasion from him, I could be wrong. It’s a really sad situation all the way around. Those Israeli civilians lost their children and families - and Refaat lost almost his entire family as well. You can look at his tweet and think low of his character- but with the context that Israel killed 90% of his family, 25 people - I can understand him having a deep hatred of Israel… doesn’t mean he is right …. But it’s the same with the Israeli families murdered in October… if they said they hated Palestinians and wanted them all dead- I would understand.
This **** is so predictable because Israeli Jews and Palestinian Muslims hate each other and want to commit genocide against each other. Palestinians would love to enter Israel and rape and murder and kill every Jew in Israel but they cant so they are terrorists. Israel would love to drive tanks into Gaza and Westbank and put every Palestinian in a concentration camp - but the USA won’t allow it - so they just bomb civilians hoping to kill as many of them as possible before America makes them stop. I find Israel and Palestine both disgusting hypocrites.
Justified? What does that word mean in that context? Do I understand why he would hate Israel and Israeli’s for killing his family? Yes - I do have empathy for him and I understand why he feels like he does - Likewise, I can understand Israeli Jews that lose family members to the Hamas attacks hating Arab Muslims. However that doesn’t mean that I agree with them - just that I can understand why they hate.
Both sides are trying to ramp up the amount of outrage to push their cause. It’s terrible all around.
This new survey documents current Palestinian opinion on a range of political issues relating to the conflict. Hamas support in the West Bank is skyrocketing and PA support is plummeting. In Gaza, which is experiencing the brunt of Israel’s attack, Hamas support has fallen significantly (Edit: my mistake, should have said it has risen slightly, but not significantly). https://pcpsr.org/en/node/961 Main Findings: Most of the questions asked in this last quarter of 2023 revolved around the October 7 offensive and the subsequent Israel-Hamas war and ground invasion of the Gaza Strip. It also covered the debate about the future of the Gaza Strip after the war and the Palestinian perception of the positions of the various relevant countries and actors. Findings indicate that a majority of the respondents believe that Hamas' decision to carry out the offensive is correct, and believe that the attack came in response to “settler attacks on Al-Aqsa Mosque and West Bank residents, and for the release of Palestinian prisoners.” It is worth noting that there are significant differences between the attitudes of the residents of the West Bank compared to those of the Gaza Strip, in terms of the “correctness” of the Hamas' decision (and other matters), as the attitudes of Gazans tend to show a greater degree of skepticism about that decision. It is clear from the findings that believing in the “correctness” of Hamas' decision does not mean support for all acts that might have been committed by Hamas fighters on October 7. The overwhelming majority of respondents say that they have not seen videos from international or social media showing atrocities committed by Hamas members against Israeli civilians that day, such as the killing of women and children in their homes. Indeed, more than 90% believe that Hamas fighters did not commit the atrocities contained in these videos. When asked what is or is not allowed in war, under international humanitarian law, the findings indicate that the vast majority believes that attacking or killing civilians in their homes is not permissible. The majority (except in the Gaza Strip) also believe that taking civilians as hostages or prisoners of war is also not permissible. The findings also indicate that the majority believes that Israel will not succeed in eradicating Hamas, or in causing a second Palestinian Nakba, or in expelling the residents of the Gaza Strip. Indeed, a large majority believes that Hamas will emerge victorious from this war. A majority also says Hamas will resume control over the Gaza Strip after the war. The findings also indicate significant opposition to the deployment of an Arab security force in the Gaza Strip, even if its purpose is to provide support to the Palestinian Authority. The majority also opposes a role for Arab states in delivering services to the Gaza Strip, but this majority is far less than the majority that opposes an Arab security presence. Findings indicate that the ongoing war between Hamas and Israel in the Gaza Strip has had a significant impact on a range of internal Palestinian issues and on Palestinian-Israeli relations. The most important of these effects can be summarized in the following changes: Support for Hamas has more than tripled in the West Bank compared to three months ago. In the Gaza Strip, support for Hamas increased but not significantly. Despite the increase in its popularity, the majority in both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip does not support Hamas. It is worth noting that support for Hamas usually rises temporarily during or immediately after a war and then returns to the previous level several months after the end of the war. Support for President Mahmoud Abbas and his Fateh party drops significantly. The same is true for the trust in the PA as a whole, as demand for its dissolution rises to nearly 60%, the highest percentage ever recorded in PSR polls. Demand for Abbas's resignation is rising to around 90 percent, and even higher in the West Bank. Despite the decline in support for Fatah and Abbas, the most popular Palestinian figure remains Marwan Barghouti, a Fatah leader. Barghouti is still able to beat Hamas’ candidate Ismail Haniyeh or any other. Support for armed struggle rises ten percentage points compared to three months ago, with more than 60% saying it is the best means of ending the Israeli occupation; in the West Bank, the percentage rises further to close to 70%. Moreover, a majority in the West Bank believes that the formation of armed groups in communities subject to settler attacks is the most effective means of combating settler terrorism against towns and villages in the West Bank. Despite the above-mentioned reference to the lack of confidence in the seriousness of US and European talk about reviving the two-state solution and despite the increase in support for armed struggle, support for the two-state solution has not dropped in this poll. To the contrary, support for this solution has increased slightly in both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. This increase seems to come especially from those who believe that the US and European talk about the two-state solution is indeed serious. Click the link for details on the responses. This part, regarding war crimes, is interesting: War crimes and atrocities: We offered the public a list of acts or measures and asked respondents whether they are permitted under international law. The majority (84%) said it allows taking soldiers prisoners. But the vast majority (78%) said it does not allow attacks on or the killing of civilians women and children in their homes; 77% said it does not allow the bombing of hospitals; 76% said it does not allow cutting electricity and water from the civilian population; and 52% said it does not allow taking civilians as prisoners of war. While 95% think Israel has committed war crimes during the current war, only 10% think Hamas also committed such crimes; 4% think Israel has not committed such crimes and 89% think Hamas did not commit war crimes during the current war. 85% say they did not see videos, shown by international news outlets, showing acts committed by Hamas against Israeli civilians, such as the killing of women and children in their homes; only 14% (7% in the West Bank and 25% in the Gaza Strip) saw these videos. When asked if Hamas did commit these atrocities, the overwhelming majority said no, it did not and only 7% (1% in the West Bank and 16% in the Gaza Strip) said it did.
