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The Cybertruck - New Tesla Pickup Unveiling

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  1. Ubiquitin

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    Sure. But it’s still a recall all the same.
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    Sure, like I get a recall on my phone every month for bugs.
     
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  3. Ubiquitin

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    LOL. I suspect Tesla owners will not be happy with the update.
     
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    When it automatically pulls over (maybe?) and shuts down on the interstate?
     
  5. Space Ghost

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    I get that but you don't have to take the time to go into the dealership for that, you just let it update overnight. I am surprised the car can't do a simple software update on its own....if that's the actual issue
     
  7. Amiga

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    Let's not downplay "recall".

    The term "recall" isn't apt for routine scheduled (and occasionally emergency) software and firmware updates aimed at fixing bugs or introducing feature enhancements. "Recall" is more fitting for situations where there's a potential harm, such as a phone's battery catching fire and posing a physical threat. For routine updates, a more appropriate term might be "software maintenance" or simply "updates," to accurately convey the nature of the action without causing undue alarm.

    I certainly hope "recall" isn't a regular monthly event.
     
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  8. Sajan

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    There's probably a legal component to recall also in terms of liability.

    Yes I am sure an nhtsa investigation was done for "bugs".

    dumbass.
     
  9. Amiga

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    Normally, it's "use at your own risk," (and I wouldn't give much of a damn) but the risk extends to others as well.

    Tesla really should not be using the marketing term "autopilot." It is an advanced driver assistance system that requires the driver to always maintain control. At best, you could say it's a semi-co-pilot. The term "autopilot" could genuinely confuse drivers, leading them to believe it's a system advanced enough to take control completely, even for short bursts of time. However, it is not designed to function that way; the driver must maintain control at all times, and there is a host of sensors designed to ensure that. The recall pertains to the failure of the sensor or its ability to ensure the driver maintains control at all times.
     
  10. Sajan

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    you expected something diff from an elon controlled company? bait and switch is his thing.

    9:14 onwards.

    And that pattern persisted with Tesla. That company was funded, in part, by pre-selling cars to future owners — only to run into repeated production delays and spiraling costs. Just watch Musk at one meeting of those early buyers, where he told them that the price had gone up, on the cars they’d already bought.

    We took faith in you, and now you’re just turning around and changing the price on us, not telling us, and then we find out about it backwards, and now, well, kind of — everyone’s hurt because we weren’t told.

    We can’t sell cars for, you know, less than they cost us to produce. If anything, what we had, more than that occurred, then it was an accident —

    Well, that’s why there was a bunch of comments after it that all got —

    Okay. There seemed to be a little bit of anger from some people in the room who felt that we’d kind of done a bait and switch. And I mean, that’s sort of a little bit true that there was a bit of a bait and switch. I mean, it’s — that’s, I mean, kind of what happened. That was very tough.
     
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  12. Space Ghost

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    ... the 'recall' software is pushed OTA. No need to go into a service center.
     
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  13. Space Ghost

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    Software updates frequently include safety updates.

    The Tesla 'recall' is mostly about tightening up the tolerances of Autopilot. For example, the inside camera is now 'always on' to monitor the driver where as before the cabin camera was allegedly turned off and to be used for future use.

    If we remove the stupidity out of the discussion, most can agree the Autopilot name is probably not the best name to use. Also we can agree the Autopilot feature doesn't hold the driver accountable for stupid decisions.... such as abandoning focus while behind the wheel. While some are acting like this is the most damning recall in the history of automotive, the reality is that using your phone while driving is on a whole new magnitude of danger.
     
  14. Space Ghost

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    Driver assists such as LKAS and adaptive cruise control exist in many vehicles already. This is basically Autopilot. Previous Autopilot was pretty decent, in both usability and reliability. Now its nerfed so bad that its almost pointless to use it. Conversely my Honda Passport has the similar feature and its a much more unreliable but yet it has less driver accountability than Autopilot. Its so unreliable that if someone tries to use it in the same confidence as Autopilot, they will likely end up in an accident very quickly.
     
  15. Amiga

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    It is a recall because 17 people have died, and 700+ crashes are suspected to be due to Autopilot.
     
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  16. Space Ghost

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    meanwhile back at the ranch
     
  17. Amiga

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    Are you trying to say, once again, that this is nothing more than a 'monthly software update on the phone'? We "recall" if there is evidence that it causes even a single death. Let's not downplay "recall".
     
  18. Amiga

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    LKAS (which assists the driver in keeping the lane) and adaptive cruise control represent Level 1 of SAE (driver assistance). Autopilot, on the other hand, achieves Level 2 with partial driver automation involving acceleration, braking, and steering. The HW and SW required for Level 2 are significantly more than Level 1. Similarly, the leap to Level 3 (true autopilot or autonomous self driving in limited conditions) requires another substantial advancement.

    My anecdotal evidence, gathered from conversations with Tesla drivers, suggests that many operate the vehicle as if it's at Level 3, and understandably so—most of the time, it performs very well. However, it's not designed for that purpose. It only takes a millisecond for a situation to turn fatal.
     
  19. Space Ghost

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    Yes, irresponsible drivers operating as Level 3 has resulted in Tesla ensuring its drivers do not use it that way.

    What I am saying is that many vehicles with Level 1 capability also have drivers who abuse it. Autopilot is much more restrictive. NHTSA should restrict other companies too.
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    Of course not. NHTSA doesn't cover cell phones.

    dumbass
     

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