definitely speculation but all I can see is the body language and the reactions he gives. Also the fact that Amen has been recalled but he has remained in the g-league and his draft stock plummeting does give my thoughts credence. I'm rooting for him to succeed, for what it's worth, and I think he's an electric player.
We played 10 guys last night. Are you saying we need to play 11? Or are you saying one guy shouldnt be playing at all?
This thread isn't being bumped enough, I expect a bump, either in triumph or retribution, after every missed or made shot, assist, steal or turnover by Jalen Green. Come on guys, it's been awhile but I know you can do better.
He is in g league because he gets to play and work on his weaknesses, there is a coach down there with him. I am sure the Rox are happy with him, and know that him getting 30mpg there is better than sporadic minutes with the big club. yes, Jalen is struggling and might eventually lose his starting spot to Cam, but not this year, we need to give Jalen all season to try to adjust to playing off the ball. Next year, might be different, but Cam will be better by playing in the vipers. DD
At the very least I've been saying that there's no reason to NOT give Jalen at least until the trade deadline to figure it out, and unless there is a killer trade out there that makes sense for everyone, you keep him until the Summer, and re-evaluate options from there. IMO it would be better to move him to the 6th man role around the all star break this year if he continues to play too inconsistent, and if he just maintains status quo risk RFA to try and keep him on a reasonable deal in a couple years than it would be to move him at the deadline this year just for the sake of moving him, and recouping blah assets. Jalen is going to be a good player. I think it's just about this whole process that Stone will go through to make sure that he aligns a contractual value to where his long-term role is going to be. However you DO NOT have to have absolutes in this situation if he's showing that he's MOST LIKELY not an all star starting shooting guard. You have the ability at that point to weigh options that include keeping him still if there's not a gangbusters deal out there.
Nobody does a better job than you talking about the IST ....lol but I am awaiting similar results now.
There is a chance that Jalen just doesn't fit into this system. It's about movement and leveraging advantage situations. Jalen might be more of the James Harden/Luka mold in that he constantly needs the ball in his hands to produce advantage situations. Sengun for example creates them all of the time. Jalen rarely does. His best attritbute is his blow-by speed. That type of player is ultimately a losing player. It's up to Ime ultimately. Jaylen Brown/Jayson Tatum were physical players for him that knew how to leverage their physical attributes to create points. Jalen doesn't really have this ability. He kind of reminds me of Reggie Bush when he went into the NFL. His blow by speed just didn't work at the level. He was less successful than running backs who were fast *enough* and physical. Arian Foster, Adrian Peterson, Brian Westbrook, Ladainian Tomlinson, etc. RG3 was another one. Too frail and just not physical enough.
Forget the minutes, how many shots do you think cam will get even when he gets into the game? (Assuming he stays within the flow) This team has too many players and not enough shots for everyone so in order to be successful you have to understand that and be prepared to play defense and hustle even when you may go through a time period of being a after thought. It will be interesting to see if cam is willing to do that
Go check Ime's BOS rotations, rarely played more than 9 and sometimes 8. Amen and even more so Cam are not getting significant min if any at all this season without injuries.
I would say that Jalen actually does have the ability to be a difference maker offensively, but the issue is it's sporadic, and when he's off, the team play in Ime's system suffers. To me that's a typical scenario that you plug a 6th man type of player into, and you eliminate the vast majority of the risk that the player poses when they are not injecting those bursts of offense, and just are in a funk like Jalen has every other game it seems. That's still value IMO, and we've seen that the Rockets offense can sustain against really good teams, but when Jalen has that burst of offense in an 8 minute stretch, the Rockets lead balloons to a large enough amount that the Ime system with the rest of the starters can sustain a lead around with Sengun, and co. running that slower more predictable half court offense. I do believe that if Jordan Clarkson was on the Celtics team that Ime coached, he'd still play, but just come off the bench in that 6th man role. Not a Ime type of player, but to be honest, most 6th men players aren't any "Insert Defensive Minded Coach Type" of players, but great defensive coaches do still rely on those players all the time in that role. None of that means I do think Jalen is a 6th man for sure, or that I want to trade him now, or really anything. I just think there's no reason to not give him a bit more time since it really doesn't matter. If I had to put money on it, I would certainly put the odds on Jalen being a really good bench scorer like an upgraded version of what Barbosa did very well. I think Jalen's likely to be a good role like that on a contender, and be considered a really good player in the end, but not an all star. ....... Reg Cam: It seems like either way, Cam Whitmore is essentially a red-shirt freshman. Even if Jalen goes to the bench, I think the odds are that Tari starts, and Brooks moves to the 2 or Holiday starts even over Cam, and when Cam gets minutes later on this season it's likely just because of injuries or rest days for the starters. Cam's "moment" is likely to come next season where over the Summer he finds a way to cement himself in the lineup during training camp. Seems clear from the start the gameplan and strategy was to Red Shirt him for better or worse.
I think it's fair to speculate that Udoka might be trying to send a message. There have been rumors about Cam's attitude for a while. He didn't just fall because of injury concerns. He's very Cam focused, even now you can see it in his play, and he needs to break that if he's going to reach his full potential. For what it's worth, I wanted him with our first pick, and I think he might have the most potential of anyone on the team, but he seems to be in the doghouse right now and he needs to work on why.
The rumors were about his knee and his interviews being too quiet, he is clearly an introspective guy, who plays with force and passion. just give him time he is 19. DD
I think it's more simple that they view him more as an Arch Manning type of Red Shirt Freshman than anything. I've looked into the rumors and really haven't seen anything concrete that there were huge personality issues that lowered his draft stock. The fact is the Rockets needed to see what they had this year with Jalen in order to make an informed decision about his future with the team. They made the decision assuming with Ime and Stone on the same page to essentially Red Shirt Cam. I think there will be games after the all star break where guys are sat, and the Rockets get a Cam Whitmore preview for a couple games. Of course if Jalen is traded and there are injuries his time could come sooner than that, but right now my guess is the plan is give him some run after the all-star break, and next year is when they'll plan on either trading him as a asset in a bigger trade to get a star players, or playing him as either the starting 2, or 6th man.
Cam is our future at the 2, but he is also 19. I didn't expect either Amen or Cam to have large roles on our team this year
