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The Presidents of Harvard, MIT, Penn, Columbia should be forced to resign

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Dec 5, 2023.

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    Swain is really weird. She became a hardline Republican like 20 years ago. I remember her mostly for thinking the USA would fall if Obama was re-elected.
     
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    Her hypocrisy will be on full display.
     
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    Sums up the problem.
     
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    lol as a foreign immigrant ATW wants the US to have less freedom of expression like they have in Germany. I think he doesn't have the feel and understanding of free speech and expression that our Constitution provides.
     
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    More privilege maybe (though I always think it is problematic to apply this whole concept to individuals), but I guess I have to point out she is not a man. So, not all the privilege.
     
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    If the President of Harvard loses her job, it won't be over the response she gave at that the congressional hearing - it will be over the plagiarism, which is something that is not politically charged, and if the evidence is overwhelming, then there is no way around it.
     
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    I feel like the media concentrating on these college semantics word games and targeting college students is merely a distraction tactic to avoid discussing 40+% of residential property in Gaza destroyed, 20+ thousand dead, additional 30,000 wounded, 1.2 million people out of 2 million people displaced from their homes, IDF using tactics like leveling 200 unit apartment buildings full of civilians because a single Hamas low level admin clerk has a residence there and etc


    Because discussing that stuff is hard and takes work and actual journalism. College administration drama is just easier to cover and takes less intellectual curiosity and work.
     
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    Harvard Corp sent out their statement this morning -- here's what was said. It is carefully worded enough around the "three articles" -- I haven't spent enough time to form an opinion, but there's a bunch of folks claiming it's a lot more.

    With regard to President Gay’s academic writings, the University became aware in late October of allegations regarding three articles. At President Gay’s request, the Fellows promptly initiated an independent review by distinguished political scientists and conducted a review of her published work. On December 9, the Fellows reviewed the results, which revealed a few instances of inadequate citation. While the analysis found no violation of Harvard’s standards for research misconduct, President Gay is proactively requesting four corrections in two articles to insert citations and quotation marks that were omitted from the original publications.
     
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    It is all a free for all - and the media doesn't give a ****, and honestly 90% of Americans do not care either. It is all a PR battle between the money and lobbying of Israel and it's friends, and the media and connections that the Palestinians have in the media and in academia.

    At the end of the day - civilians pay the price, and that has become standard operating procedure in the Middle East. If the ruling parties in the Middle East don't kill civilians, the USA will come in on a white horse, "liberate" a group of people, kill thousands of women, children and old men - then a power vacuum is created, and a new extremist group comes in and completes the job.

    The reality is that there is no group of people that falls more in line with Jews in the Talmud than the Palestinians, the level of persecution that the civilians in the region have taken is staggering.
     
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    Maybe it’s no longer the Pearl variety?
     
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    I haven't read the supposed plagiarism but the claims on social media are that it is far more rampant and verbatim. Some of that can be political exaggeration, at least one of the people supposedly plagiarized is politically driven. However, the depiction from the statement from Harvard is the opposite.

    If out of volumes of writing there are a few omitted citations, then she likely survives and gets at worst some form or censure. However, if she indeed did plagiarize - it will be obvious, and then there need to be serious questions about whether the power brokers simply are covering for each other in a new version of the "good ole boys club".

    Sometimes institutions are so venerated and isolated, that is allows for corrosive behavior to leak in. The SCOTUS is a perfect example of this. Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and one of the liberal Justices all should lose their spots - but have not.

    To me - this is ultimately going to be a black and white situation, even with strong political positions involved. She either plagiarized or she did not. If she did, and they protect her, then they have made it clear that the institution is above the rules.
     
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    Deehuueer Mein Kampf, THAT'S THE HITLER BOOK!
     

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