It's time to start thinking about moving Jalen before the deadline

Evaluating a player based on statistics alone is more absurd. Slow starts kill momentum and greatly hinder a team's chance to win.

 

This mentality is the definition of being too close to a player to accurately evaluate. There's not a single player in the league that averages points uniformly across quarters. It just doesn't exist. Expecting that is literally going out of your way to look for flaws.

 

There's no basis on what you just said wtf.

You could also say those who has a fast start and then fail to score in the 3rd and 4th are unclutch and greatly hinder a teams chance to win.

 

Green having a good stretch of ts% while having a bad 3 pt shooting stretch is a great sign in my opinion. It means he can sustain efficiency even when his outside shot isn't falling.

 

Some causes lend themselves to extremism more easily than others though.
As for players, some players behavior either on the court or off, do also.

 

I can't honestly think of anything a player does that creates extremism other than their nationality. For example, I can understand Turkish people irrationally support Sengun. Same with Chinese people and Yao, and Asian Americans and Lin.

If the player is not very good, like Lin, then his fans look very dumb. But if a guy like Sengun is doing great, then their devotion does not look very extreme. He has his extreme fans who are annoying (hakeem94 comes to mind) but there is really nothing the player does that warrant the hate. Same about Jalen Green. We can disagree on his potential, or whether it is a good or stupid idea to want to trade him now, there's really nothing about him that warrant extreme love or extreme hate (unless you really hate nail-painting ),

I know who the extremists on this board and mostly just skip over their posts. If they get too obnoxious, I put them on Ignore. But other than the one player they are obsessed with, positively or negatively, most of these people are reasonable posters about everything else.

 

I would say the Josh Giddey situation has produced some degree of extremism.
There are others, but I dont want to get in a long discussion on this.

My extremism comes out regarding James Harden. Better skip when I post about HIM

 

I feel like Lin was an oddball case because a lot of his fanatics on this forum weren't basketball fans or even sports fans. They started watching basketball during Linsanity. They turned every discussion into D&D or some race related issues.

For all the Sengun fanatics, I do believe most have followed basketball for a while. They might make outlandish statements, but I sorta give them a pass because they have calmed down a bit imo

 

That guys is manipulating the stats to make his point.

Take a look at the game logs and it paints a different story.
Jalen Green 2023-24 Game Log | Basketball-Reference.com

He has more games (10) shooting .250 or worse from distance than games (9) of .333 or better.
He has only 5 games out of 20 where he shot .400 or more from distance and (13) in which he shot .333 or worse.

He has the same amount of games (5) with 10 or fewer points as games with 25 or more.

In that sample of the first 8 games where the twitter guy claims he shot 42% from three - That is not correct, he shot .414 - 17 of 41.
In that 8 game span he had games of .000, .333, .200, .500, .000, .600, .833, and .250.


He has 3 games with more turnovers than FG made.

The fact that when you split the first 10 from the last 10 the overall numbers are close is a coincidence.

From game to game, he is highly inconsistent.

 

The big issue with Jalen is if he ain't making shots, he is doing very little else.

 

I think I have been one of the most patient people on this board regarding Jalen.
But man, his no shows are starting to annoy me.

 

Jalen has a Google Pixel commercial, we need fair value back. Which player has a Microsoft or Amazon commercial? That's Tilman's target.

 

So he is tied with them tech companies at the Bay side......

 

Yep. He will be a Golden State Warrior one day.

I really believe Jalen will dip to Cali when the time comes, maybe not this contract but in the future he will.

 

So who can we trade Jalen for? What’s a good return?

You’re quick to suggest that we sell low on him, but haven’t made any concrete suggestions (that I’ve seen, at least) for who we can get for him and what a realistic trade might be.

 

I get your point, but it depends not only on a team having a player that we want, but Jalen being a guy that they value enough to consider in such a trade.

While such a scenario is certainly possible, the Rockets are still in the process of assessing the team and its players. If for no other reason, the timing is wrong. The Rockets want to be comfortable with the value they assign to the guys they got before considering trading them.
Jalen is probably the hardest guy on the team to assign a value to.

 

I agree with Plowman that a team that is trying to shed major contracts and contemplating starting from scratch is going to look at this.

I do not see many as those that have gone to rebuild already started rebuilding.....and they probably have 1 or 2 prospects that they have similar headaches about.