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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. basso

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    weird that you don't have one of the cool yellow banners under your moniker.
     
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    We have heard about this killing of two supposed "collaborators" in the West Bank, but here is an article from award-winning journalist Khaled Abu Toameh who was born to an Arab-Israeli father and a Palestinian Arab mother. He grew up in the Arab-Israeli town Baqa Al Gharbiyye and received a B.A. in English Literature from the Hebrew University and lives in Jerusalem.
    https://jcpa.org/summary-executions-in-the-west-bank-the-disintegration-of-palestinian-society/
     
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  3. maypk

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    Perfectly legitimate reason to invade more lands.
     
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    Why would you care about a small strip of land, away from where you live?
     
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    I am not understanding the implications of your statement? Are you saying Turkiye should get involved in starting a military campaign against these terrorists like they are supposedly doing in the lands of Syria and Northern Iraq? That would be something, but I doubt it would happen. Erdogan and Khaled Mashal are too close of buddies for that to happen.
     
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    Do you genuinely compare the Turkey's ongoing counter-terrorist operations in Northern Iraq that is cooperated with Iraqi government and governing body of the Northern Iraq to your terrorist state's ongoing genocide campaign? LOL.

    Let me know when Turkey carpet bombs and commits collective punishment against Syrian and Iraqi civilians. Oh wait. Turkey lets 10 million Syrian refugees into the country and helps them survive the civil war for 10 years.

    And guess what? I know it will be shocking for you and maybe even too difficult to understand, but there are no Turkish SETTLERS who steal others' homes and land in Northern Iraq and Syria.

    Israel had and still has terrorist presidents and prime ministers. Because that's what Israel is. A terrorist state.
     
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    CAIR is a terrorist organization
     
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    Israel is defending itself, after a genocidal attack by hateful Palestinians, including mass rape and kidnappings.

    Turkey has been a far worse perpetrator of mass murders of course than Israel has in any point in history (and so has Germany). Regarding Turkey, just ask the Armenians.

    As to your question, let's ask your famous NGO friends from Human Rights Watch.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/03/full-costs-turkeys-bombing-campaign-northeast-syria

    The Full Costs of Turkey’s Bombing Campaign in Northeast Syria
    Civilians Bearing the Brunt of Ongoing Attacks by Turkish Forces


    Rakza Salih Fawaz, 50, and her 14-year-old daughter, Farah Adnan Ramdan, were among a group of 30 daily laborers toiling away in cotton field on October 9 near the village of Bcheïrîyé in northeast Syria.

    “Around 10 in the morning, something struck my head,” said Rakza.

    “I heard Farah screaming about losing her leg. I attempted to reach her, but I collapsed.”

    They were rushed to a hospital in al-Hasakah by their fellow workers. She told Human Rights Watch that there were no fighters or military presence at the farm, just daily workers trying to make ends meet.

    Rakza and Farah are among the many victims of Turkey’s aerial bombardment of northeast Syria. In a recent report, Human Rights Watch documented how Turkey’s aerial bombardment of northeast Syria has caused damage to critical infrastructure across the region. But beyond this, some civilians – like Rakza and Farah - have paid the price of Turkish strikes in life and limb.

    Between October 5 and 10, 2023, Turkish drone strikes on Kurdish-held areas of northeast Syria killed at least 11 civilians and injured many more, according to the Rojava Information Center, a volunteer media and research organization in northeast Syria.

    Both Rakza and Farah have worked as day laborers in recent years to secure the family’s livelihood, supporting Rakza’s husband who has an intellectual disability.

    Having left the hospital just two days ago, Rakza is now living with relatives. Given their injuries, she and her daughter do not know how they will be able make ends meet, leaving them all in a precarious position.

    In 2022, Human Rights Watch documented that children with disabilities, now including Farah as well, do not have access to basic necessities, education, assistive devices including prostheses, or psychosocial support.

    In their successive military operations in northern Syria, the Turkish Armed Forces appear to have repeatedly failed to take necessary precautions to avoid civilian casualties, including three attacks Human Rights Watch documented in late January 2018 which killed 26 civilians, including 17 children. Under international humanitarian law, in the conduct of military operations, the Turkish Armed Forces and all parties to the conflict must take all feasible precautions to avoid, and in any event minimize loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.

    Civilians harmed by Turkish military operations, including Rakza and Farah, deserve accountability. Children with disabilities deserve protection and assistance. Turkey should thoroughly investigate strikes that killed or injured civilians and provide adequate redress, where appropriate, to victims or their families. It should hold to account those responsible for violations of international humanitarian law arising from such attacks.
     
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    CAIR is 100 % a terrorist organization, you are right.

    And if I remember correctly, the terror cousins hydhypedplaya, AMS (formerly adeelsiddiqui) and trustme had some connection to Hamas and CAIR via a mosque in Houston that had proven terrorist connections. I think it was called "Islamiq Da'Wah Center"...Hakeem donated to it at some point, not knowing where his money was going - they gave money to Hamas or something, there were some reports about it in 2006 or so.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/...INGTON, Feb.,obtained by The Associated Press.

    The Olajuwon-founded Islamic Da'Wah Center gave more than $60,000 in 2000 and $20,000 in 2002 to the Islamic African Relief Agency, the center's tax records show.

    The government shut down the relief agency in October, saying it gave money to Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

    Olajuwon participated in a 1999 celebrity bowling tournament for the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, which the United States government shut down in 2001, accusing it of sending money to Hamas. The Islamic Da'Wah Center gave more than $2,000 to the Holy Land Foundation in 2000, according to its tax returns.

    The cousins had something to do with that Center.


    A lady called Siddiqui from Houston got arrested as a suspected terrorist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aafia_Siddiqui

    In 2008, some other terrorist took hostages in a synagogue in Texas, trying to get her out.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...oner-center-texas-hostage-situation-rcna12381
     
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    Zionist shills like you are losing the online PR battle for Israel so badly that you’re resorting to labeling everyone a terrorist. Do better.
     
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    Is Aafia Siddiqui not a terrorist?
     
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    In every asymmetric and insurgent fight loyalty to the cause is very critical. Even the IRA would kill suspected collaborators and informants who worked with the British. They would even threaten the families of suspected collaborators.

    For an organization like Hamas it doesn’t surprise me that they would kill suspected collaborators and use fear to keep
    Palestinians from cooperating.
     
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    The people who did this are terrorists (the IDF).

     
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    We can’t take her word for it. Zionists are known liars. Like they lied about the 40 beheaded babies.
     
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    Oops, I misunderstood. I thought you were genuinely suggesting Turkiye get involved in a counter-terrorist operation and help free Gaza & West Bank of Islamic State & Hamas terrorists and eradicate the militant Islamic extremists who continue to promote a mindset which fosters hate & violence & oppression to the detriment of Palestinians, Israelis and world citizens , instead of seeking a peaceful statehood and a better future for its' people and following the example of many of the Arab-Israeli citizens living free and happy in Israel, such as Islamic Movement-Ra'am party leader Mansour Abbas, award-winning journalist Khaled Abu Tuameh, IDF General Ala Wahid and countless others.

    Why do many of these Palestinian Arab-Israeli citizens not hold your viewpoint of Israel as a "terrorist state"? Why do many of them (as well as many in Gaza & West Bank too afraid to speak up) consider Hamas and Islamic State to be terrorists? Why are many Arab-Israelis happy to be citizens of Israel, free to own businesses, cafes, restaurants, wear the clothes they want, be gay, dance and sing.....while some guy in Turkiye sits on his computer on a Houston Rockets website and bashes Israel and Jews while supporting Hamas terrorists?
     
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    It's not my viewpoint. It's an objective fact. Do you deny that Israel had terrorist prime ministers in the past?

    So let's, for a second, assume that Hamas is the root of all the problems in the region and the only obstacle that needs to be erased to achieve peace. How come the terrorist state of Israel committed massacres against the Palestinians and invaded their lands when there was the PLO, which has nothing to do with jihadism or extremism in charge of Palestine?

    And who gives a f*ck about Arab-Israelis who are happy to be citizens of Israel? There are Ukrainians who are happy to be Russian citizens, but that doesn't justify Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine either.
     
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    PLO committed plenty of terrorist attacks, too. Planes, Munich 1972, etc. etc.
     
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