So the "some of you" enjoyed watching losing basketball lead by KPJ and team?... I can't speak for anyone else but I can definitely place our success so far this season as an addition by subtraction to this roster. KPJ is where he should be and you still have yet to realize that. Let these kids; Jalen (21), Jabari (20), and Alperen (21) grow and learn with time. There's no reason to rush trading away any of these guys if they haven't even gotten the chance to scratch the surface of their own potential. Or just continue to hammer away at your keyboard and slight most of these young guys by comparing them to retired players that started finding their limited reserve roles at the ripe old age of 27-28.
Losing the second best player and best shooter from last years team didn't make the team any better, gaining a competent coach that implemented structure to the team and some vets is what made them better. If KPJ hasn't ruined his career by being a moron off the court, the Rockets would be MUCH better right now. Also, you don't get to throw a tantrum about fans criticizing young players for awful performance when you know you were whining about 21 year old KPJ while he was performing better than the scrubs you currently are trying to defend.
Yes. Sure KPJ is a talented player, great handles and good shooter but his game was not conducive to winning team basketball. Often killing the flow of the game and making odd decisions on the floor. He had Christian Wood syndrome, thinking he was better than he actually was. If Jale does not improve, I'd rather see what Whitmore and Amen have in store for us.
I bet you can't find one post about me "whinning" about KPJ while he was a Rocket. You have us mixed up... I believe you and @DaDakota that have been defending the scrub that's not even a Rocket anymore, to this day. Bye.
The time to trade Green was at the 2023 draft. That was his peak as a Rocket. Said it then, too. The promise of Green has lost its luster. So no, now is not the time to trade Green. The best time is G O N E.
Jalen/Oladipo's contract/BKN's 1st next year for Mikal Bridges? See if you can nab Andre Drummond off the Bulls during their inevitable fire sale? FVV - Bridges - Brooks - Smith - Sengun Amen - Whitmore - Tate - Eason - Drummond/Green That starting 5 defense would be toight. You did this to us Jalen. Get it together man.
Nah the peak was probably 2022 draft, after he had that crazy post all star streak. Whatever we feel about Jalen, I'm sure other GM's see it too
Well you can say that, but if you added FVV and Brooks and Green to last year's team with KPJ we would be better than we are now because KPJ is a better NBA player than Jalen Green. I am not defending what he did or didn't do to Kyrse, but strictly as a player, he is better than Green and it isn't close. DD
Is he a better player than Jalen is currently I would agree with you that he is individually. Problem is Rockets couldn't control him, he wouldn't take a backseat to FVV and Sengun if he was here or he'd be throwing tantrums. If you could get him to play a role then yes but I don't think he would. He's a headcase and he needed to be cut. He was poisoning our young guys, Sengun would be on the bench cuz KPJ can't make a simple pass.
For me it's a NO currently, because improvement takes time. My current gauge of an eventual championship team, is your top three guys among active players ideally should include: a top 15, a top 25 and a top 50. There's ways about to get them like draft, free agent or trade. Unless a preferred destination, homegrown is normally ideal. So among the current picks: Jalen, Alp, Tate, Jabari, Thompson, and Whitmore. You want at least two of those guys to hit, then maybe go outside get a 3rd star. Example cores. Cavs: Garland and Mobley (homegorwn), then got a Mitchell. Wolves: Edwards and KAT (homegrown), then got a Rudy. Celtics: Brown and Tatum (homegrown), got a Jrue Bucks: Giannis and Middletown (homegrown, Kris came to MIL his 2nd year), got a Lilard. Grizz: Ja, Bane, JJJ (homegrown all 3) ....Alp might be ahead among our guys, but it's too soon to tell since they're all so young. Using ESPN's top 100 before this season, the most ahead we have is FVV at #62. TBH, I don't really care who among our picks become the 3 core. For the team to go far: we need more multiple draftees to HIT. Ideally... at least two , then maybe go out and buy a 3rd star. It is weird in player only-Fan situations, but some of it on the players themselves. If they played better; then they become worthy of 'multi-stans'. Worthy of the fanbase's confidence and adoration.
On Jalen's market value. I looked at Jalen's 2021 draft. The thought exercise is "if I was the other team's GM, would I trade my drafted guy for Jalen Green, today?" ------------ TLDR version: Except for four teams, where I had a NO, not trade for Jalen Green. Everyone else, I leaned towards YES. ------------ The list: 1. Pistons - Cade Cunningham - NO - Cade has the playmaking, their roster and record are so bad right now and Cade's numbers are down. It's just tough to evaluate Cade overall. Kind of a wash, Weaver and Stone would just keep their guy. 2. Rockets - Jalen Green 3. Cavaliers - Evan Mobley - NO, without getting into hot button issue; it's mostly due to fit. They have their guards: Darius and Donovan. Jalen is actually normal sized (not undersized like Donovan, should Donovan not stay with the cavs). Allen and Mobley also offset their short guards on defense. Stone may also not want Evan now that Jabari and Sengun are here. 4. Raptors - Scottie Barnes - NO, since they're building around Barnes. And even chose him over FVV. 5. Magic - Jalen Suggs - YES Suggs having a better year, but if I'm Magic GM, yes I would do the deal. Stone likely would not. 6. Thunder - Josh Giddey - - YES, If I'm Presti, I'd trade Giddey for Green. Because I might think my infrastructure could unlock Green. Giddey 2nd year shooting was better Chip England first got there, but this year his shooting went down. As folks say, growth is not linear. In fact, out of that Thunder lineup, with SGA, Chet, Dort, and Williams. If I had to cut one; Giddey is the first to go. Thunder has so many picks that even if Giddey is gone, and Jalen doesn't grow in OKC; he still has many chances. Or do what he has always done, and flip Green to another team, better than any other GMs could. 7. Warriors - Jonathan Kuminga - YES. People can debate this, but I can see GSW doing it for Green. 8. Magic - Franz Wagner - NO ------------------------------------------------ Everyone else below is a YES would trade for Green. 9. Kings - Davion Mitchell - YES 10. Pelicans - Ziaire Williams (officially traded to Grizzlies) - YES 11. Hornets - James Bouknight 12. Spurs - Joshua Primo 13. Pacers - Chris Duarte 14. Warriors - Moses Moody 15. Wizards - Corey Kispert 16. Thunder - Alperen Sengun (officially traded to Rockets) 17. Grizzlies - Trey Murphy (officially traded to Pelicans) - Debatable, but likely Yes 18. Thunder - Tre Mann 19. Knicks - Kai Jones (officially traded to Hornets) ------------------------------------------------ 20. Hawks - Jalen Johnson 21. Knicks - Keon Johnson (officially traded to Clippers) 22. Lakers - Isaiah Jackson (officially traded to Pacers via Wizards) 23. Rockets - Usman Garuba 24. Rockets - Josh Christopher 25. Clippers - Quentin Grimes (officially traded to Knicks) 26. Nuggets - Nah’Shon Hyland 27. Nets - Cameron Thomas - Debatable, possible yes 28. 76ers - Jaden Springer 29. Suns - Day’Ron Sharpe (officially traded to Nets) 30. Jazz - Santi Aldama (officially traded to Grizzlies) ------------------------------------------------ Yes for a top 2 pick, expectations are higher, his value (at least against his own draft class) is still decent. That doesn't mean urgency is not there; since the next draft class (Paolo, Chet, Wemby)... there are already players where those GMs would not trade are already considered core pieces. Taking a pulse at a player's market value is fine; but definitely for this year, need to keep evaluating.
Neither a KPJ apologist or a fan but you don’t know any of those things for sure. Those are all just your opinions and assumptions from being stuck in a shiit situation previously. Who’s to say he wouldn’t have turned a new leaf and put it all together under this new regime with Udoka and veteran leaders/mentors? He never got a single chance this season. That’s obviously 100% on him though. I had high hopes for him coming into the season. He was my fav pick for 6th man of the year and would’ve relieved a lot of pressure from Green.
Jalen is already grown and has nothing to learn more as he plays almost perfect... Others need to improve DRASTICALLY to help him
What makes you think he can turn a new leaf if he couldn't even keep his hands off his gf? Y'all crazy the moment you put head honcho on the bench it's over. He's not accepting that role after what he was entitled to do for 3 seasons here. They gave him everything he wanted and he still throwing tantrums during games in the sidelines at the clubs. Like you think benching would make that all go away?
Yes because KPJ wouldn't be playing as much. That guy sucked, he was a replacement level player on the court at best and total and complete disaster off the court.
I hate to admit it because I fought against it for 2 years, but you are right. I don't know if KPJ would be starting over Green right now just because of fit....Green plays best off Sengun, while KPJ could play freely and generate offense with the bench unit. But KPJ is definitely the better player and you are right that it's not close. And that does not feel good at all to say. I feel dirty.
LOL, sorry the Magic have the 2nd best record in the East, the best defense in the league and Suggs is an elite defender and somehow a good shooter this year. They need guards who can score, but they wouldn't trade that for Jalen Green who is basically the opposite.
Some of y'all keep thinking Jalen has all this time to improve, but Ime doesn't seem like the most patient person when it comes to making the same mistakes over and over. And I'm pretty sure he recognizes that there are just some things that Jalen will never be able to do well. Don't be surprised if they pull the plug on Jalen being a starting 2 guard faster than you'd like.
