Yes, it is likely he will continue to improve due to his age. But again, growth is not necessarily linear. Most players who play this well this young get better, but there are occasionally guys who stall out or even regress. Do I think that will happen with Sengun? No, I don't. I think he will get at least somewhat better. I do still think getting to Jokic's level is a very tall order though. I'm convinced and sold that Alpi's likely outcome is to make All-NBA at some point (likely, not guaranteed) but the odds of any one player ending up being an MVP until they're already getting votes for it are astronomically low.
I hate how animated he is. His hand gestures, facial expression guy is like a jelly an inflatable tube guy.
He won't be Jokic. The more i watch Jokic the more i'm convinced that when it's all said and done he'll be top 5 player ever. I think Sengun will end up somewhere between Sabonis and Jokic. I think his ceiling is a little higher than prime Vucevic. A guy who can make 3's, playmake, and is a monster in the post. He will always be reliable in the post because he's so clever and has a soft touch. His soft touch is the reason why he will develop into a good 3pt shooter eventually (for a center) and keep hitting midrange shots. In terms of offensive production we have a terminator in our hands. He will deliver every night but what seperates Jokic from other centers and Jokic lites is his supervision combined with his size. I'm 100% sure that he's at least 7ft tall. Idc what NBA or bbref says that dude is huge and has 7'3 wingspan. I think 7 and 7'3 is much better than 6'11 and 7'5. Because you can see the the whole court much easier. Not just his height also his weight. He's a big boy so he is hard to contain in the post he plays bullyball whenever he wants. So he has the footwork of a ballerina, strength of Hulk, touch of Messi, combined with a superhero vision. This dude can do whatever he wants on the court. Sengun, Sabonis can do a lot of things but they can't do everything. However i 100% believe that he's already better than Sabonis. Sabonis is an all star thing isn't a good argument. I'm watching them both and the only thing Sabonis is better at is grabbing rebounds. He clearly has faster feet and he's stronger but those are physical tools. He is not a better midrange shooter, not as versatile as him in the paint, not a better 3pt shooter. If we are purely comparing their skillsets Sengun is clearly more skilled than him. Sabonis almost always spins to his left. Bumps into whoever is guarding him till he gets closer to the rim and spins to his left while Sengun is 2 handed in the post so he spins wherever he wants. I can go on and break down their games but i don't need to in no way or shape Sabonis is better than him. Does he have better physical tools yes better player no. I think we all should be happy that we have a better Sabonis in our hands and he's not a pussie like Sabonis which i like the most about him. What Looney has done to him was tragic. At some point Sabonis stopped attacking the rim and kept kicking out the ball or didn't want the ball all when they needed him. Looney completely broke his psyche. I don't think you can scare Sengun. He will keep targetting you. He is such a determined kid you can even smell it in his interviews.
hahahaha I love the humor here, this guy always make me laugh how he calls #28 as Al Pee. When I was a kid, I was also good at making jokes...No longer though.
Alpy and Jabari are Ime players. Hard on themselves and hard on each other. Just wait until Jabari can effectively run the two man game with Alpy and pull up for a middie or drop to Sengun for a bunny.
Yes but now know why he's good at what he's good at. If anyone can present their Sengun can be as good as Jokic argument i will listen. My questions are 1) What does he have that Jokic hasn't and how do we know that those things he has are the things that will make a significant difference down the road? Ex. "He can dunk while Jokic can't". Is that a type of skill that compensates his lack of court vision (compared to Jokic obviously) or just a nice thing to have that won't get you from great to elite? 2) How is him being smaller than Jokic gonna help him become as good as Jokic?
That's the entire premise of this thread. Do we know for sure that Alpi will become as good as Jokic is now? No. Would Jokic have become as good as he is, and would Denver have been rewarded with a championship if they had NOT committed to him the way their coach and the whole organization did? No. https://milehighsports.com/michael-...i-wouldnt-trade-him-for-anybody-in-the-world/ For someone to unfold their full potential, they need to be given trust. I am not saying they need to be without any accountability - what I am saying is you recognize someone with special potential, and then you commit to them. Up to this season, the Rockets had been doing the exact opposite of what Mike Malone does in this video. There is no other player on the Rockets - and there is no other player Alpi's age or younger in the entire league - who has more potential than Alpi. At the same age, this is how they compare. No guarantees that Alpi will become as good as Jokic or better. But given trust, he might get close. (As long as he starts making the damn free throws lol.)
He doesn't have a lack of court vision. He is a bit smaller than Jokic, but is more athletic/faster/can jump higher. Could cancel each other out.
His court vision isn't as high as Jokic's court vision that's an undeniable fact. I'm not sure if it can.
Just need a competent GM to add the right pieces and build around Sengun. Is it too much to ask for a young wing who can dribble, shoot and pass and not paint his nails. Who plays within the offense l?
We were discussing whether Alp was good enough or not to start over Bruno Fernando last year. We are discussing whether Alp will be as good as Jokic or not this year. This is a small scale miracle. If the goal is to become Jokic, Alp won't. If the goal is to become a player as good as Jokic, Alp has a huge chance. Something from Jokic, something from Dirk, something from Hakeem, something from Oscar Schmidt, something from Petar Naumoski,something from Pau Gasol,etc... might make him as good as Jokic overall. Jokic is big but Alp is more agile, people surprise when Jokic dunks but don't when Alp does. Alp might be considered top 3/ top 5 C in NBA at the age of 21, Jokic was not,etc... Jokic is a great player, Alp won't be a second Jokic but might become as good as him with lots of Jokic resemblances.
Yeah, there are levels to this. Jokic court vision is unreal. Quite possibly the best of all time out of however many thousands of NBA players. If not he is at least in the top 3, and certainly the best for a center. Sengun has excellent court vision for a center and it will probably improve. I still feel pretty confident in stating right now he will never be as good in that area as Jokic because the odds of having a Barry Bonds, Babe Ruth legendary level of talent in any area are just so vanishingly small.
Also what are the odds of having 2 Jokics in the same era? Like 2 top 5 eve caliber player shows up 5 years apart. It's like Cavs drafting Lebron and 5 years later we drafting Lebron. I don't remember this ever happening in team sports other than once in football (Messi vs Ronaldo) which is quite rare tbh. Pele retired as Maradona was getting started. Haaland vs. Mbappe is a thing but in terms of historical significance Jokic is tiers above both. 1) He's a one man army and they aren't 2) Those two 200% not retiring as top 15 players ever that's not even up to discussion because football history is beyond deep and stats work in different way. Zidane was better than both combined but he never scored or assisted as frequently as them. You generally look at different parameters to rank players in football. I don't see it honestly. However he might developt into a player that impacts the game in a different but just as efficient way. Nowitzki won Dallas a championship and he was not nearly as skilled as Jokic. At the end of the day being Jokic isn't the only path to the success and tbh i'd rather him being 3/4 of Jokic and winning us more championships than Jokic does. Hell if he retires with more rings than Jokic you can make a case for him being better player than Jokic.
The point is not whether he will be exactly like Jokic. The point is that his potential needs to be recognized even more by the Rockets. (And by some very relevant fans - "nope"). Build around him.
Here are my answers and other points: 1) - Sengun is more mobile than Jokic - Sengun has Jokic to model his game after, jokic and his coaching staff had not seen anything like the future jokic - Sengun has Ime and ime will just add on top of how Jokic is used. When you have a player like Sengun, there is always untapped potential in terms of what you can do with himff - Sengun seems more motivated, determined than Jokic to advance his career - Sengun has the potential to be a better defender than jokic. He addressed this issue quite early in his career 2) It won't. But Sengun will be a different player. He won't play the exact, same game as jokic. Now the other points: 3) Denver did not do a good job of surrounding Jokic with best talent. Sengun could be more impactful than Jokic, even if he is the lesser player 4) Sengun's ceiling is better than current Jokic imo. Last year I thought it was lower, and it is extremely unlikely he'll get to his ceiling. Now, seeing how he improved on d, shooting midranges, 3pts, i think his ceiling is higher than jokic, and there is a better chance of getting there.
You are making a common mathematical reasoning error. The odds of having 2 jokics in the same era is very small. But the first jokic has already come, so it is irrelevant in terms of odds. It already happened. And another player like him came. That happened as well. so the only thing that needs to happen is Sengun becoming as good as jokic. It has nothing to do with the odds of having 2 jokics in the same era. Consider it this way. The probability of rolling 1-1 in two rolls of a die is 1/36. But if you already saw the first one to be 1, now the probability of 1-1 is 1/6 since you only need the second one to be a 1. The original probability of 1/36 is irrelevant.
