This has been happening all over the world, wherever Muslims are. And it started happening BEFORE ISRAEL EVEN STARTED RETALIATING. Which is all you need to know about the people who do this.
Israel won all the wars against those other countries like it was not close 6 days that’s like a west coast road trip for the rockets
More information on the Gaza Health Ministry: https://www.voanews.com/amp/is-gaza-s-health-ministry-trustworthy-/7334905.html According to the article, contrary to what has been widely assumed, the Gaza Health Ministry is controlled by the Palestinian Authority — not Hamas. Further, Human Rights Watch and the WHO have said their numbers in the past have proven to be generally reliable. If one looks at past conflicts in which the IDF have given their own numbers on Palestinian deaths, I haven’t found much of a disparity except in the counting of civilians. But in this conflict, the Health Ministry has refrained from trying to distinguish civilians from combatants. They have, instead, distinguished deaths for women and children. The official numbers don’t include the deaths of unidentified people buried under rubble that never made it to the hospital. That is good enough for me to accept them as a first order approximation of the scale of deaths that are occurring, given the total absence of any other sources. I find it odd that war propagandists on one hand try desperately to cast doubt on any accounting of civilian deaths or images of dead civilians in Gaza, and at the same time engage in all manner of rationalizations for why it’s perfectly fine for the IDF to kill civilians indiscriminately as part of this operation. Like, pick a lane — jeez.
This article is a defense of the current Israeli operation in Gaza, applauding Biden’s rejection of a ceasefire, that also considers prospects of transitioning to a forced Hamas surrender. Can the US/Israel pursue this path when Hamas is facing imminent defeat as a means to reduce further civilian harm? It would likely require coordination from multiple parties, including other Arab nations and the PA. https://www.americanpurpose.com/articles/ending-the-war/
I have had a number of posters ask me what my wife thinks of the current situation in Israel. My wife is Assyrian from the Iraqi region. She is a medical school graduate and easily runs intellectual circles around me. She is an atheist. Oddly - my wife and I have not spoken much on this topic since 10/7. She has over heard me discuss it with friends. So - I asked her and her view did surprise me some. First, she said she has no especially positive feelings or bonds for Israel or Muslims in the occupied region. She said that while it is true that Israel was only founded 75 years ago, that it isn’t going anywhere. As for the Palestinians- she told me that they don’t want their own country, they want Israel off the map. Most interesting to me is that she isn’t overly concerned with Israel or the occupied territory. She said there is always blood shed in the Middle East. The bigger issue to her is Islam and how the West is handling it. She said that in her opinion Islam is harder to moderate than the other Abrahamic religions. She said it’s in her opinion a religion of conquest. Her views raised an eyebrow from me. I asked her what the solution is - she said the West on both sides of the political divide do not understand Islam and that definitive boundaries need to be established. She also criticized Israeli’s that seem to believe they are special and need to realize the part of the world they live in. I don’t know - I just posted it because several people asked. As for her relatives - most of them think both the Muslims and Jews in the region have acted poorly at times - but that Muslims that are fanatical can drive people to so many things out of fear.
Thanks. Her views sound very sensible to me. I believe there is some scholarly debate on the origins of Palestinian nationalism. Whether it is in reality a rejectionist reaction to Zionism, or something that had its own development path, albeit shaped in some ways by the formation of Israel and the wars that ensued. Sounds like she thinks it is more the former.
Bro send the woke to the citizen transfer portal I heard team Hamas got some positions for them I heard they got explosive players on their team but need lots more @tallanvor
It seems very obvious that bombs that are collapsing buildings in one of the densest places in earth will lead to a lot of casualties. I doubt we have any accurate numbers but I think it’s easily within the multiple thousands of Palestinians who have been killed in the latest battle.
Muslims aren’t monolithic in their views and Islam has had a lot of its own internal Sectarian violence. Islam certainly has its problems with extremist violence but I don’t believe that makes any given Muslim prone to extremism. For example a few years ago I did some work for an Islamic Center in suburban Minnesota. The people who attended it were very well educated and well off immigrants. The director told me once that they did have some people who expressed extremist views attend but they force them out and didn’t want anything to do with them.
https://www.unrwa.org/careers/working-unrwa WORKING AT UNRWA UNRWA has over 30,000 employees, most of them Palestine refugees and a small number of international staff, in two headquarter offices (Gaza and Amman), five field offices (Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and West Bank), and in four Representative/Liaison Offices (New York, Geneva, Brussels and Cairo). So, thousands of staff are Palestinian refugees. It isn’t surprising that some number of them might be linked to or support Hamas. Arguing that this means UNRWA equals Hamas is yet another in a long string of bad arguments from war propagandists. But, of course, the point isn’t to make a solid argument — it is to justify attacks on (what should be protected) UNRWA offices.
It's all too common. Take a few examples and generalize them to all. Twitter worlds are perfect for this type of behavior, whether intentionally done or too narrowly focused to accurately see the world.
I can accept well-reasoned defenses of war, even a war as catastrophic as this one. Indeed, I’ve linked to a few lengthy articles doing just this (I may not agree with every point they make, but I can accept them as fair arguments). What I can’t accept are shoddy arguments from social media propagandists that are simply grasping for a justification for potential war crimes (indiscriminate killing of civilians, intentional targeting of hospitals and UN offices, etc.).
Replace what she said about Muslims with Jews. I feel like Muslims are turning into the new "Jews" as in this neferious group of humans where that nefariousness is intrinsic to to them. Saying something like Jews are different than the other religions and need to be treated differently today would be obviously shamed as anti-semetic and should be. But we are at a point in history where it's okay to say these things about Muslims because it's "deserved". But given the cyclical nature of history, in 30 years I'm guessing after some more atrocities on Muslim populations that type of rhetoric towards Muslims will be also frowned upon like it is with Judiasm. Especially in Europe it seems like Muslims are the new scapegoats that replaced Jews. Trend really started happening post 9/11.
