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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Demonizing and dehumanizing a population works as propaganda on potentially millions of people. Encouraging one daughter works on one person.

    But of course the daughter will trust the father more than the many people will believe the propagandist.

    I've shared the story before about the concentration camp survivor I had the opportunity to speak with and what he believed about propaganda and dehumaization. He felt that was as bad as Hitler. He said centuries of jokes about Jewish people and the rumors about them made the Holocaust possible.

    He said that if not for that, nonody would have believed Hitler and he wouldn't have been able to grab power and spread the hate that he did. The survivor mentioned how families would all think it was all a joke and that there was no harm in it. But he felt that it laid they ground work and made millions of people willing to buy into the crap Hitler was selling.

    It forever changed my outlook on the subject. So when I see a blantatant attempt to generalize and dehumanize a population, it is a problem. The same is absolutely true of Palestinian classrooms that teach hate and dehumaization of Israeli civilians.
     
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    I see the confusion. You don't know the difference between religion and ethnicity. Well, it's never too late to learn.
     
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    An amazing footage of Israel not being an apartheid state before October 7.

     
  4. ROXRAN

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    Insanity
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Which is why you propagating the lie about Israel "being an apartheid state" along with your fellow left-wing extremists makes you guilty of support for terrorism and of incitement of hate.
     
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    Your ignorance on the topic is massive.
     
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    Nope. You are uneducated and you parrot leftist bullcrap. Rinse. Repeat.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, everything that presents evidence you don't like is a lie. But your endless Xweets are so well researched and truthful. Lol

    Actually, my thoughts are based on the words of Israeli leaders, founders, their actual policies, and practices.
     
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    You demonize Israel by falsely accusing them of being an apartheid state, which is the narrative that serves as justification for any atrocity Hamas commits ("by any means necessary").
     
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    Palestinians are the most morally depraved society that exists today, perhaps ever. The worst horror film scripts aren't at this level.

     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    It is accurate to describe them as apartheid. That in no way justifies the murder of innocent civilians by Hamas.
     
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    No, it is not.

    Not only have you not offered anything to substantiate your extremist position, you also ignored everything that was presented to you to the contrary.

    I forgive you because you are not that intelligent.
     
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    You don't have the patience to read about it.

    But let's start with this as some background.

    That was from 2004.

    This is more recent.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/17/how-israel-uses-water-to-control-west-bank-palestine

    Once you have some background on this issue we can move on to the next issue.

    But this shows that Israel operates one set of rules for Israelis and a different for Palestinians. There's actually more on the whole water issue but we can start with this bit.
     
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    They aren't innocent - they are the real shitstains that your dog @Andre0087 refers to - and just like any bad dog they should be put down
     
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    So disgusting
     
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    I don’t think Jews have any more or less desire to oppress than any other group of people.

    As for a rightful claim to the land - I don’t know how much time has to pass before someone decides what is a rightful claim is. I know that 75 years isn’t a long time, and I know the founding of Israel after WWII was wrong. At this point I don’t think it is proper to kick out the Jews, many have been born there.

    What I will say is that the treatment of the Palestinian Territories has been atrocious by Israel. I also know that part of that is because from early on, Israel had neighbors trying to erase them from the Middle East.

    I have no issues with Jews. I have had a single negative relationship with a Jew in my entire life - and although he used his religion as a basis for treating me like a POS, the truth is he was just an ******* that happened to be Jewish.

    I have had far more negative relationships and interactions with Arab Muslims. They killed off a number of my wife’s relatives - I have had Muslim men that I was friends with tell me with a straight face that they wanted the whole world to tremble beneath the yoke of Allah.

    My issue entirely centers around the relationship between Israel and the Palestinian territory.
     
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    No - it doesn’t. It isn’t about the Arab citizens of Israel. Most of them refer to themselves as Palestinians and not Israeli’s - but they do have the right to vote and hold political office. Into the late 1960’s, Israel proper was an Apartheid state but not now. There are issues as far as equality, but that is many places in the world.
    The issue is the WestBank and Gaza - and there is no real debate that those areas are an Apartheid state.
     
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    Unfortunately it is historically more deep rooted than that.

    The entanglement between Jews and anti-semitism in the Western world around 1900 was very deep and strong.

    The West and Eastern Europe had very negative opinions of Jews in the early 1900’s and they were the scapegoat of choice.

    Karl Marx based Marxism on the greed of Jews. Many anarchists and communists were Jews. A lot of terrorism in the 1880’s-1920’s was done by Jews. Why? A lot of it was in response to the marginalization of Jews in Europe and the white world.

    Germany actually offered every “white” country in the world: money if they would take the German Jews.

    Every single country, including the USA said no - and all of these nations knew that Germany was highly antisemitic.

    At least after the war the USA took Jews as immigrants - no other country did in large numbers.

    The hatred and oppression that Jews suffered was historic - only Africans can match their suffering over large periods of time.
     
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    They are not, by definition, because Israel has legitimate security reasons to treat them the way they do.
     
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