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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Houston77, Nov 28, 2023.

  1. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    I'm no cap expert, but I thought it may be interesting to talk about the potential future cap implications of the Rockets' upcoming extension decisions. Here is a good tool for the Rockets:

    https://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=745682646656640baef00a147114362

    Again, I'm not an expert, but it looks like we can be in an ok position if we max Sengun, Green, and Smith, especially if we decline FVV's option. If we don't decline it, however, we still would have almost 10 mil in luxury cap space, and much more before we hit the apron. If we decline FVV's option, we can have up to 13 mil in actual cap space even with maxing the three. Of course, we can do other things like decline and extend FVV at a lower average per year, not extend Green or Smith for the max, etc.

    https://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=121548956656642061266c073295648

    If some of the values aren't moving from $0, just adjust something minor like the projected position of a draft pick and that should fix it.
     
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  2. Ankara1923

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    2026 is the year when Rockets will be championship contender. I do not see FVV in our squad that year. It is also possible that JGreen and Bari might get less than max. The question is how much Tari will be paid. Jgreen/Alp/Bari/Tari/ '23 pick will be the core and any other signing will be Jeff Green/A.Holiday type of role player.
     
  3. Plowman

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    FVV and that contract will get dealt with assets.
     
  4. Houston77

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    What? Why? That makes no sense. It won't be an issue until the third year, which is a team option.
     
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    Amen
     
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    FVV dealt with assets makes a lot of sense in the summer of 2025. Extend him and use his salary to get a disgruntled superstar
     
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    That I could see. But the impression I got from his post is we would eventually trade assets just to get rid of FVV, which makes no sense.
     
  8. Plowman

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    My intention was what CarlosGM said. Attach assets to the big contract, and get a star.
     
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    Got it. My apologies. That I could absolutely see happening.
     
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    I'd imagine we'll let Tari hit RFA unless he somehow turns himself into a star-level player. We may trade Dillon and let Tari step into his role under a new extension during that future offseason.

    We'll also have the MLE to play with, keep in mind.
     
  11. Ankara1923

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    It won't work as Tari for Dillon place.

    In long term Jabari should fill SF position and Tari to be used in PF position more. Jabari might play C sometimes if necessary.
     
  12. Houston77

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    I was playing around with the calculator this morning. If we (1) max Sengun and Bari; and (2) give Green and Eason contracts in the vicinity of Devin Vassell and Jaden McDaniels (5 yrs, 140), we'd have about 15 - 20 mil in luxury cap space in the 25-26 and 26-27 offseasons even if we opt-into FVV's third year. Interesting stuff.
     
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    Was playing around with the calculator and wanted to look at the different scenarios for next season if we extend Sengun and Green to a max. The below is assuming we cut salary as much as possible (waive Jock, don't resign Adams, etc.). Basically, the below is for our core seven guys plus Brooks + our 2025 rookie (assuming the pick isn't too crazy high).

    #1: Accept FVV's option

    This would put us at about 190 mil for 10 guys. Basically, we'd have to operate as a luxury tax team, though we could easily stay under the first apron. We'd be in a good position in 2026-2027, though, even if we extend Bari.

    #2: Decline FVV's option

    We'd go from being a luxury tax team to several million under the cap. If we wanted to operate over the cap, we could hold on to Landale's 8 mil.

    #3: Decline and extend FVV's option

    This opens a lot of possibilities. For example, let's say we decline his option and extend him for 2 years at 70 mil. That likely allows us to stay under the luxury tax in 2025 - 2026 and align's FVV's contract with Brooks. We would probably have to operate as a luxury tax team in 2026 - 2027, though, if we extend Bari.
     
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    Now that we have definite figures for Green and Sengun, we can really get into the weeds.

    Option 1 - Cap space

    Even with the new deals, we can make a little cap space if we want. Not much -- basically, if we waive/renounce everyone aside from our core 7 and decline FVV's option, we'd have like 5 - 8 mil in cap space. Probably not worth it.

    Option 2 - Opt Into FVV's Contract

    With Green and Sengun's non-max salary figures, we have the ability to opt into FVV's third year option and still would have a healthy amount of luxury cap space. The issue, however, we probably can't do much else. We'd be pretty much locked into our ten guys (7 core pieces + Brooks and FVV + 2025 RFP) unless we were willing to go into the tax.

    Option 3 -- Extend FVV

    This would be my preferred option. We can opt out of FVV's last year and extend him on a per year basis of 30 - 35 mil and it would create a lot of flexibility. For instance, you could give Adams a Gafford-like contract of 10 mil per and still have plenty of luxury cap space.
     
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    I know some folx were concerned about cap space to add a "star" in the off-season, but we could still trade for a "star" in-season / trade deadline (& we would prolly know who is available by then)

    Brooks $22.3M
    Landale $8M
    Tate $7.6M
    Unc Jeff $8M (I would h8 it #hoyasaxa)
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    $46M

    Can take back a contract of ~$51M IIRC. Almost everyone in the league is in range of that amount - except Curry.
     
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    Can't add Tate in the offseason - this is the final year of his contract. He will be a free agent.

    As for the money you can take back - it's 125%+100k if you are under the apron and even $$$ if you are above.

    Under the apron simply multiply the $$ amount by 1.25 and add $100,000.
     
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    Talking about during this season & up to the trade deadline....

    But thank you for the 1.25... I thought it was 1.1.

    You would prolly know which stars want out or which soon to be 2025 FAs are not coming back by the trade deadline
     
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    With the contracts that we gave out today, I would imagine we begin to look for a power forward that can defend and shoot the three ball next to Sengun. JJJ Being the ideal target. I guess it depends how it goes in Memphis….

    Memphis craps out.. at deadline

    Brooks(to third team) $20 million player to Memphis
    Jeff G
    Tate
    Jock
    Suns 2027 pick
    Jabari


    Sengun/Adams
    JJJ/Tari
    Amen/Cam
    Green/Reed
    FVV/Reed
     
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    Brooks is untradeable due to the absurd contract Stone gave him and the Rockets have very little of value other than the Suns future picks to make trades work.

    Teams aren't going to give the Rockets gold for garbage.
     
  20. Houston77

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    Put together the below cap scenario based on the following major assumptions:
    • We resign FVV for 3 years, 100 mil
    • We resign Adams for 2 years, 25 mil
    • Green opts out and signs a five year, 270 mil dollar extension in the 2026 offseason
    • Amen signs a rookie max
    • One of Bari or Tari signs a 5 year, 150 mil dollar contract
    • We don't extend Whitmore and whichever of Bari/Tari that doesn't get the above 150 mil extension
    As you can see, it's fairly feasible to keep at least five of our guys even in pretty rosy circumstances, such as Amen and Green breaking out.

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