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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

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    amazing. Nasser had nothing to do with it, he was just tricked by the wiley soviets, or the devious jews?
     
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    Are you equating Muslims as all one ethnic group with the same socioeconomic interests?

    a person who got displaced from their parent's and grandparent's and great grandparents' neighborhood doesn't give two ***** about what someone who happens to be Muslim hundreds of miles away. What they care about is losing their home.
     
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    Lula is another example of leftists aligning themselves with Islamists.
     
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    That’s not what it says. He gambled that his moves would deter Israel from attacking Syria, and became overconfident as things escalated that he would win in a war against Israel. He definitely holds some responsibility for what happened.

    More on how Israel's actions also contributed to the escalation, from Zeev Moaz's book "Defending the Holy Land: A Critical Analysis of Israel's Security and Foreign Policy". Moaz is an Israeli political scientist and former IDF officer.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=hHQe4qn-EmUC&lpg=PA111&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false

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    You couldn't be more wrong about what I believe. I painted two extreme options, neither of which I subscribe to. You seem to subscribe to one of them, based on your posting. And you claimed to know what would happen in an alternate history where certain things never happened, but that's laughably impossible. Cheers.
     
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    I came across an interview with an elderly Palestinian woman passionately supporting Hamas. She condemned Israel for what she saw as evil attacks on children. When questioned about her backing for Hamas, known for its actions against children, she argued that the group primarily targets Israeli soldiers, not civilians. It seems no amount of facts can sway her opinion.

    Contemplating the unpredictable nature of different circumstances (parallel Earths), on a scale from 0 to 10, I find it reasonable to peg at 7 the likelihood that Israel’s actions towards Palestinians have shaped an environment where many share sentiments akin to this woman. However, achieving full rights and freedom for Palestinians may be closer to a 3 on that scale.

    Now, considering a baseline for societies in general, a rating of 3 might be seen as a common ground. It doesn’t take much oppression (factual or perceived) and violence to swiftly propel a group toward harboring animosity and adopting a simplistic ‘you bad, me good’ mentality, setting off a distressing cycle of violence. Perhaps, for more modern societies, this baseline could lean closer to a 2. Human nature.
     
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    Dangerous violent extremism isn’t limited to Palestinians or Muslims. Throughout just recent history there’s been plenty of extremist groups of all backgrounds and many who justify and rationalize things like bombing civilians, kidnappings and other acts of terrorism.

    Hate and fear are part of human nature and when you add religious and ideological self-righteousness humans can commit a lot of atrocities.
     
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    what percentage of Jews killed in 2023 were killed by non-Muslims
     
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    I don’t know but historically more Jews have been killed by non Muslims. I just brought up that the worst act of antisemitism in the US since WWII was carried out by by a Muslim.

    Anyway the post I was saying that extremism is sadly something they exist throughout humanity. Limiting that to just one group is willful blindness.
     
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    As someone who lives today, I am most interested in/concerned about who is the biggest threat today.
     
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    I think you know the saying about those who don’t know history.
     
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    The same ideology has been a major threat to peace since its existence. Its founder was a pedophile warlord and murderer, nothing has changed.
     
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