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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Gaza attacked Israel. Israel is defending itself.
     
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  3. basso

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    he's a former PM.
     
  4. durvasa

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    Israel has no reason to hide such details. On the contrary, they are (and should be) eager to showcase any evidence they have.
     
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    They are and have been Israeli laws and regulations.

    I think it's clear you won't accept any facts that interfere with your preconceived notions.
     
  6. durvasa

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    The first two resulted in thousands of Palestinian civilians being killed. By Israel’s own record. The third one was *only* in the hundreds. I wouldn’t call them mere “skirmishes”.

    But, fine, maybe “siege” isn’t the right word either. Though if you are a Palestinian witnessing and dealing with missiles screaming down outside your home, that is likely what it would feel like. My point was to relay how things would seem from a Palestinian perspective, and how that erodes empathy and recognition of humanity in others. Not the perspective of someone who isn’t directly experiencing it.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    So many layers to this. For example the fact that they had to build underground system because of how dense the region is and then you realize tjebidf thos past month damaged or destroyed 42% of all residential property in Gaza.

    It's so obvious that the agenda here isn't destroying Hamas but turning Gaza into a hellscape to the point Palestinians lose all hope of evr seeing a viable state form from within Gaza to where they just give up and abandon their childhood homes.

    That has always been the end state goal for the Israeli government. The blockades of the past decades that has siphoned 16 billion dollars out of the Gazan economy is not because of Hamas. It because they want Gaza to not to rebuild after every bombing run slowly shrinking the amount of liveable space in the region over time.


     
  8. durvasa

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    This doesn’t change what I said regarding responsibility of a military power in a war to not inflict excessive harm on civilians. It applied just the same when the US went into Afghanistan after 9/11.
     
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  9. glynch

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    Israel has killed roughly a thousand Palestinians or more for many years,

    The picture of a tunnel entrance which was shown at least 10 times on ABC nightly news in the last week or so. Sort of reminds me when we said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction, which we said wrongly he did not destroy. We knew about the wmd because we gave them to him when we backed his war with Iran.

    ATW seems to have normal intelligence, but garbage in garbage out.
     
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    The UN reports that 16 billion dollars have been siphoned out of the Gazan economy due to the past two decades of blockades.

    The waves of sporadic ordinance drops, no economy where half the population is unemployed, no infrastructure that is suitable for modern living standards.... all those things I assume aren't great for childhood brain development.
     
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    made a minor adjustment to your post.
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    Then let's give both Israel and Gaza iron domes.
     
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    You didn’t fix anything. I can empathize with people on both sides of the conflict. It’s easy to do. It’s also important to do.

    Too many seemingly cannot and will not.
     
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    Also if you empathize with Israeli civilians people would be against these bombing campaigns and incursions. All this does is create another wave of terrorists.
     
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  17. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Israel built Iron Dome. US based Raytheon produces some of the missiles and missile components under license. Iron Dome Air Defence Missile System (army-technology.com)
    If Gaza wanted an Iron Dome system, they should have developed and built one. They focused on building offensive weapons instead. They already had their own missile defense system, the Human Shield.
    There are a finite number of potential Hamas terrorists.
     
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    That's definitely true. Genocide could be an option I guess to completely eliminate the pool of potential terrorists.
     
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    There needs to be some UN and WHO people that get criminally charged or at least losing jobs , I love the fact a lot of this is getting documented and it's in their faces now
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Or, in the alternative, you just kill the ones that actually choose to become terrorists. The ones who become doctors and firefighters and teachers and farmers, you don't kill. Crazy I know.
     

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