@AkeemTheDreem86 the right of return is justified on having left the land and never resettling, right?. But Jewish people after Second Temple DID resettle and many had become integral to the communities they joined (just like Armenians). There is also the unusual concept of Judaism is an ethnorelion. I get that. The precursor people in Canaan were polytheistic Hebrews who coalesced around monotheism during the Babylonian period before getting a second temple during the Persian Empire. But the post-second temple period is when Jews really started to go into Roman Europe. And somehow you can convert into Judeaism in addition to being a Jew through family. But unlike Christianity or Islam, you also can never leave once you’ve joined. There are even stories of Western Asian Steppe Peoples (Khazars) even going so far to converting en masse to Judaism over Christianity or Islam in the late first millennium. Would those converted peoples also have a right to return? This is why I do not hold much on where people lived in history but where they live at moment. We are all humans in the end.
Hypothetically, could a an individual in China or India convert to Judaism and freely migrate under right of return to Israel? What if a million people in China or India did it? Does Zionism still persist 75 years after the creation of Jewish homeland in Palestine (Israel)?
For people who don’t have Jewish parents and convert to a Judaism there is a religious court that decides if they are actually jewish and can become an Israeli. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew? Israel's Law of Returngrants citizenship to those with a Jewish parent or grandparent, even if not religious. But the rabbinical courts use halakhic rules for marriage, requiring Orthodox conversions for those without a Jewish mother. This creates conflicts between different branches of Judaism. The Wikipedia article also notes that most modern Jewish people regard being Jewish as more ethnicity and less religious. I remember hearing a debate among some Jewish friends in college whether a Korean adopted and raised by an orthodox Jewish family was Jewish. A few thought yes but some secular Jews insisted no.
Would not be surprised if it’s true. Would not be surprised if it was a lie. This certainly could be true given mankind’s long history of cruelty. Fabrication would also be fitting because it’s too symbolic. Or the truth is somewhere in the middle. The first casualty in a conflict is the truth, and I think there is a lot of facts that will not make it into the permanent record due to the chaos that unfolded those first days of the conflict. This story becomes another magic eye test for how you want to view the conflict. https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-772181 Controversy surrounds reports of Israeli baby found burned alive in oven FakeReporter continues to maintain that it has not yet been able to independently verify the story of the baby burned in an oven. How the incident was publicized Eli Beer, United Hatzalah founder and president, first presented the case at the Republican Jewish Coalitions’ Annual Leadership Summit in Las Vegas on October 28. In his address to the convention, he said: “"A little baby in the oven – These bastards put these babies in the oven and put on the oven," said Eli Beer, the founder of the volunteer-based Israeli EMS organization United Hatzalah. "We found the kid a few hours later."
Honestly, if you have seen all the things Hamas did on that day, if you need "a baby in an oven" additionally to recognize pure evil, something is wrong with you.
Not disagreeing with you. There is little difference in a person who knowingly burns down a house down with children in it and burning a child in an oven. That story is coming from the Israeli press. Yotam Frost from FakeReporter said in a WhatsApp message: “It deeply saddens us to be engaged in such [a] matter, but such a horrific statement should be proven and not easily published. You and [we], as representatives of organizations who care deeply about Israel and [are] dedicated to promoting a fact base[d] discourse, understand the gravity of that. I’m not sure others do. "I suggest you follow the progress of the story from the beginning, the continuous change of the versions of the story, and fact check it," he wrote. "We could not verify it.”
No - Israel could not do that any time they want because they would lose support from the USA and would be a pariah to the world. Ask South Africa how well that worked.
They would be relieved - and then they would turn their ire back to Israel, as people do not like living in oppression or an apartheid state.
The Assyrians did not leave by choice - neither did a number of other groups of people that are just as important as the Jews. The region is full of groups of people that did not leave by choice.
It isn't in jest, or certainly wasn't - it was the basis for the Jews returning to Israel. Also, if you are talking about 1947 - of course the Israeli's agreed to two separate states, they got exactly what they wanted and the location they wanted. Why would the Palestinians that were already living there want to agree to two separate states when it was but one land mass before? Also, between 1947 and 1949 the Israelis pushed out and forced half of the Arabs in the region to leave Israel and into the occupied territory. When you suddenly show up and decide that you are going to carve up and draw lines for a new country, and there is an existing population that has been there for thousands of years - there is going to be serious long-term problems. That doesn't even get into the illegal Jewish settlements that have been allowed and by some in Israel promoted, and the apartheid conditions. This is a conflict where both sides are ugly - and both sides have serious issues. The main issue I have from the perspective of Israel is that they like to completely discount of deny the conditions of the founding of their country, and the severely oppressive conditions that exist in Gaza and the Westbank, and the purposeful desire to oppress as well. I have issues with the Palestinians are well, and I have discussed those in the past. The level of hatred by both Arabs in the region and Jews is palpable. I will sometimes have Israeli friends say "Oh it isn't bad" - which is historically the opinions held by the oppressor. In the past I heard similar sentiment from the white ruling class in South Africa and even from the wealthy class in South America.
This explains a certain percentage of the pro-Hamas and anti-Israel protests and statements of "solidarity" with "Palestine" by some celebs.
