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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    If I had to speculate, there is probably some behind the scenes deal between Iran and the US where the US will “reduce its presence in Iraq and Syria due to deteriorating conditions” and will effectively give Iran uncontested suzerainty over Iraq and Syria in exchange for who knows what.
     
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    All you do is embed moronic instagram and Twitter posts because you have nothing else to contribute. You are a large reason why the D&D is awful. Tinman is playing a character, but this is really who you are. A boastful poster who thinks if he projects enough confidence on the board it will make up for the fact you’re chronically online on a basketball forum for 20+ years posting memes in a non-basketball sub forum about how woke people are the real racists, LGBTQ people are the real oppressive people, how Muslims are terrorists until proven innocent, and quick to align with any other tech bro who talks nonsense with competence eg Vivek.

    At least people can learn something from a wall of text with links for more reading. I and others on here enjoy discussing ideas and learning new perspectives. We don’t try to get our knowledge in 140 character quips or heavily editorialized photos.

    As for “learning more about the final solution”, the systematic and industrial scale of holocaust is what sets it aside from other genocides in the last 200 years. But it was sadly not the last genocide and the Germans who enacted it were otherwise normal people. Dehumanization to leads to cruelty against our enemies. Non-discriminate killing of people should be avoided, not perpetually justified.

    One more wall of text for you:
    “The term "Final Solution" was a euphemism used by the Nazis to refer to their plan for the annihilation of the Jewish people.[4] Some historians argue that the usual tendency of the German leadership was to be extremely guarded when discussing the Final Solution. For example, Mark Roseman wrote that euphemisms were "their normal mode of communicating about murder".”
     
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    There is absolutely nothing "moronic" about them. You could learn a lot from them if you could actually read.

    And you don't need to quote the latest thing you googled you knew nothing about before.

    I told you to educate yourself.

    Do that, and be quiet until you have learned.
     
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    Imagine a world a German advising muslims to learn how to co-exist with the jews.
     
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    Yes? What's your problem with that? The fact that you would rather see all Jews dead, like your Hamas brothers whom you so fervently support?

    You have repeatedly called Jews (even though you disguise it as "Zionists") "sub-humans" on this very forum.

    That tells us all we need to know about your disregard and disrespect for human life, and your deep feelings of hatred towards Jews.
     
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    I am not sure how long you've been in the United States for, but I assume long enough to realize that WWII, including the Holocaust, is common knowledge for most Americans.

    Now you may retort with a post about how the kids don't know the holocaust was real or how they harbor some from of denial-ism.
    Do some Americans deny the holocaust? Absolutely. But there is overlap with the same Americans who claim the moon landing was faked and 9/11 was an inside job. Or increasingly COVID was a hoax and the 2020 election was stolen.

    From one chronically online person to another, be better. Or don't. It's not like anyone on here can actually change your nature.
     
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    You need to educate yourself about calling something "final solution". That is a term that was used by the Nazis for their planned annihilation of Jews.

    For you to use it in the context of the IDF defending Jews against a horrible terrorist group that just committed the single largest genocidal attack on Jews since the Holocaust shows that you really do not understand history - despite all the walls of text you posted to pretend that you are actually some kind of well-read amateur historian.

    It is an insult to Jewish people, a disgusting and vile slap in the face.

    Do better.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Same goes for the uneducated "pro-Palestine" posters here who keep attacking Israel.

    If you love Palestine so much, go there in exchange for the innocent Jewish and international hostages these savages have been hiding in some tunnels, and go hang out with your Hamas friends. Especially if you are "woke"/"LGBTQIA+ for Palestine" etc.

    It would be a very educational experience for you.
     
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    “Scholars of genocide are criticizing the dangerous use of the Holocaust to justify Israeli mass violence against Palestinians”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/24/israel-gaza-palestinians-holocaust

    Israel must stop weaponising the Holocaust
    Raz Segal

    President Joe Biden began his remarks in Israel with this: “Hamas committed atrocities that recall the worst ravages of Isis, unleashing pure unadulterated evil upon the world. There is no rationalizing it, no excusing it. Period. The brutality we saw would have cut deep anywhere in the world, but it cuts deeper here in Israel. October 7, which was a … sacred Jewish holiday, became the deadliest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust.

    “It has brought to the surface painful memories and scars left by millennia of antisemitism and the genocide of the Jewish people. The world watched then, it knew, and the world did nothing.

    “We will not stand by and do nothing again. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.”

    With this, Biden reinforced the rhetorical framework that the former Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett expressed, in typically unashamed terms, in an interview on Sky News on 12 October: “We’re fighting Nazis.”
    …..
    The Israeli defense minister, Yoav Gallant said: “Gaza will not return to what it was before. We will eliminate everything.” Nissim Vaturi, a member of the Israeli parliament for the ruling Likud party, to take another example, called for “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth”. There are many other such expressions by Israeli politicians and senior army officers in the last few weeks. The fantasy of “fighting Nazis” drives such explicit language, because the image of Nazis is one of “pure, unadulterated evil”, which removes all laws and restrictions in the fight against it. Perpetrators of genocide always see their victims as evil and themselves as righteous. This is, indeed, how Nazis saw Jews.
    …..

    This is significant. More and more Holocaust and genocide studies scholars are refusing to allow the continuation of the dangerous use of the Holocaust to distort the historical reality of the Holocaust and Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. This provides some hope in these dark days, as it supports the struggle for a different future, beyond the Israeli settler state, a future that should be based on equality, justice, freedom and dignity for all the people who live between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.


      • Raz Segal is an associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University and the endowed professor in the study of modern genocide

     
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    Sure buddy, because i'm the one rooting for collective punishment for people in Gaza for a month. ;)

    I don't have any hatred or love towards jews. But you have posted how you hate muslims explicitly and repeatedly in here.
     
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    There is obviously antisemitism and unfortunately a lot of it. Criticism of Israeli actions though isn’t the same as antisemitism anymore than criticism of Hamas is Islamophobia. There are many Jewish people including Israelis who are critical of the actions and policies of Israel.

    It’s this type of binary thinking though that either with us or against us that is why it’s been impossible to alive this situation.
     
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    There you go, "both siding" this conflict. Israel is a democracy, Hamas is a terrorist, murderous, rapist gang of criminals. Shame on you for equating them.
     
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    And you pretty much prove my point.
     
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    Reread his statement though, seriously.

    1. Criticism of Israel is not antisemitism. (Hopefully, true.)
    2. Criticism of Hamas is not islamophobia. (Also true.)

    Two true statements do not make the entities in those statements equivalent separately or "both sides."
     
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    You can make two true statements but the context in which they are juxtaposed matters.

    "Osama Bin Laden did not target Germans on 9/11. Also, B-Bob did not target Germans on 9/11."
     
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    Your honor, I honestly don't recall. :D
     
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    I KNEW she was involved!
     
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