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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    I am not brainwashed and sure i'd like to visit there once they get rid of their fascist leaders.

    You haven't really answered my "Hamas has been founded in 1987, how would you like to explain the civilian casualties before 1987?" question but anyway.

    First of all, as i already said 2 times before, PKK has launched similar attacks in Turkey and killled more than 50,000 civilians in 40 years.

    If you so desperately want to compare PKK to Hamas, you should know that Israel doesn't recognize PKK as a terrorist organization. And the USA does recognize PKK as a terrorist organization but doesn't recognize PKK's Syrian wing SDF as terrorist organization and on top of that they arm them.

    Let me talk about PKK first. The PKK is the product of Turkish governments' efforts to suppress and silence the Kurds for roughly 50 years. The idea of PKK was founded by suppressed and tortured Kurds in Turkish prisons. (Just like the idea that ISIS was founded in prisons by suppressed and tortured Muslims in Iraq controlled by the USA) The Islamist Kurdish movement and the Marxist Leninist Kurdish movement did not find the support they were looking for among the Kurds living in southeastern Turkey and failed. The PKK, which they later formed entirely based on Kurdish nationalism, found support among the oppressed Kurds, and as Turkish governments continued to oppress the Kurds, the PKK has gained more power and has become more influential in the southeast of Turkey.

    So how did Türkiye fight the PKK? Turkey has elected a Kurd as its president and stopped suppressing and silencing the Kurds and stopped seeing them as second-class citizens. Turkey did not make the Kurds pay the price for the terrorist attacks carried out by the PKK. Turkey has built more hospitals, more schools and more dams in predominantly Kurdish areas to reduce the influence of the PKK.

    Whenever Turkish nationalists came to the government, the PKK gained power. Whenever Turkish nationalists lost power, the PKK lost power.

    Eventually the PKK's influence on the Kurds in the southeast is currently almost non-existent. That's mainly because Erdogan is an islamic leader who has no business with nationalities and ethnicities.

    So my point is there's no better recruiter than Netanyahu for Hamas.Netanyahu has gained Hamas more members in the last three weeks than the most influential Hamas leaders have in the last 30 years combined. So Israel has a choice ahead of themselves, either they'll stop suppressing Palestinians or Hamas will get even stronger when they think they destroyed Hamas. If you think Hamas is an islamic terrorist organization, don't suppress muslims, if you think they're a Palestinian terrorist organization, don't suppress Palestinians.
     
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    Fatah, the leadership of the PA (successor organization to the terrorist group the PLO) is in control of the West Bank. Attacks occur in and from the West Bank.
    Prior to Hamas, there was the PLO, which was also a terrorist organization. They did things like suicide bomb buses and pizzerias, highjack planes, and have lone wolf gunmen murder people for as long as they could until they were killed. Related to question 1 above, they still engage in violence as Fatah/the PA, though much less frequently now that Israel has built up a huge security apparatus in the West Bank. Just like now, the terrorists would hide among the civilian population, so attacks against them resulted in civilian casualties.
    The customary international law of war allows for the targeting of civilians/civil infrastructure including hospitals if they are being used for military purposes by enemy combatants. Once Hamas sets up shop in a hospital and stores their weapons and supplies on the grounds, the hospital is fair game.
     
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    Ben Sasse has been a beacon of light and truth in this regard.
     
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    @rocketsjudoka

    Berkeley kids are just mad they didn’t make into Stanford
     
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    Hamilton was better.

     
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    This conflict is irrevocably splintering my social circles. My Jewish friends and coworkers are posting pro-Israeli/anti-Palestinian posts calling for retribution against Arabs and Muslims. My Muslim and Middle Eastern friends and coworkers are posting pro Palestinian/anti-Israeli post, calling the Israelis murders and decrying Zionism as a lie.

    Both groups know each other well and we all have to work together. But it is very tense.

    Interestingly enough, the handful of Iranian post doc researchers seem to be more pro Israeli than not. They just hate Islam because of what happened to Iran in their eyes.
     
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    Gotta love i when they don't show what happened beforehand. Wonder why that is...hmmmmmmm.
     
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    Classic "it must be the Jew's fault" post by you.

    I'm sure you will ask the same thing here:

     
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    These people are such ****ing losers.
     
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    Classic "let's make something up" post by you

    This has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he is Jewish.
     
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    Those claims by Erwin Chemerinsky may be questionable.

    https://www.972mag.com/uc-berkeley-jewish-free-zones-antisemitism/
     
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    Hamas is the new BLM
     
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    they were attending a music festival.
     
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