I know you're not going to accept any proof even if I shove it up your ass and pull it out of your mouth so why would I bother wasting my time on a zionist clown like you?
Huh? Nothing I said even remotely suggested I think all Palestinians are Hamas and should, therefore, all be destroyed. We can't continue to have a decent dialogue when you say stuff like this. I don't think that is the definition of a zionist, either. That is something that you made up or were taught. Maybe, maybe 1% of people who are "zionists" and support development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel think that, but the extremely large majority of them would be against the doctrine and beliefs that you are attaching to them. That is not zionism and I don't know where you are getting that. Sure, call out any individual who ascribes to those beliefs, but those are certainly not mainstream zionist beliefs at all. As far as Islamists, many don't align with those stated beliefs, either, and I don't think that title, in itself, should be considered a terrible thing. Islamist- (an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society.) That would depend on their interpretation of Islamic law and the means they would go to (violence and oppression) in achieving their influence in politics and society. Your last sentence has nothing to do with any of my questions, so if you could please read the question and answer appropriately, we could move forward with better understanding and a mutual discourse.
There's no point of having an arguement while you assume everything you've been taught 100% correct anyway. Jihad? LMAO. I don't believe in myths bud, you should try the same.
Not arguing. Just having a discussion and would like to hear your thoughts and responses. Now, instead of continuing with a proper dialogue, you are refusing to address the questions and give valid responses. How do you even come up with "you assume everything you've been taught 100% correct"? That doesn't make sense. Anybody that knows me well would laugh hysterically at that assertion.
Cool. Why don't you just let me ask a few questions and after you answered them, i'll try to answer any questions u ask. Hamas has no influence in the West Bank. Why do Palestinians keep getting oppressed, jailed, tortured, and killed in the West Bank? Hamas has been founded in 1987, how would you like to explain the civilian casualties before 1987? Which international law allows siegeing a city of 2.5 million civilians and bombing hospitals and schools?
I wouldn't say Hamas has no influence in the West Bank. Up to 400 accused Hamas members have been arrested there since Oct. 7 and just yesterday the IDF blew up the house of senior Hamas leader Al-Arouri. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...okesperson-detained-west-bank-intl/index.html I can certainly agree that IDF and Israel are wrong for continual detainment of Palestinians with no due process, evidence of laws broken or without legal representation. I also can agree that Israeli settlements currently in the West Bank should be and are illegal. I can also agree that any Israeli settlers committing violence against Palestinians in the West Bank should be arrested and prosecuted, except in cases of self defense and vice-versa. Yes, obviously it is an extremely difficult situation for both Israel and Gazan civilians. That is why I wanted to hear your thoughts on a similar hypothetical attack on the same scale by the PKK in Turkiye. Almost no one wants Israel to bomb hospitals or schools. Hamas (who with your hatred of Islamists and by their barbaric actions, you should most certainly consider a terrorist organization) is making it difficult to avoid this. Hence, the reasons I am asking your thoughts and opinions on how to go about destroying them while mitigating civilian casualties to as minimal as possible. The safe haven you suggested, vetting civilians and a medical ship for evacuated hospital patients is a start.
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I thought it was worthwhile. Knowing knee-jerk American reactions and watching how much worse they are now (in terms of being poorly informed) versus, say, 20 years ago, this essay kinda rings true in many ways, sadly. UC Berkeley academic on antisemitism on college campuses (LA Times, usually behind pay wall, but I think they'll let you see this.) excerpts: I was stunned when students across the country, including mine, immediately celebrated the Hamas terrorist attack in Israel on Oct. 7. Students for Justice in Palestine called the terror attack a “historic win” for the “Palestinian resistance.” A Columbia professor called the Hamas massacre “awesome” and a “stunning victory.” A Yale professor tweeted, “It’s been such an extraordinary day!” while calling Israel a “murderous, genocidal settler state.” A Chicago art professor posted a note reading, “Israelis are pigs. Savages. Very very bad people. Irredeemable excrement…. May they all rot in hell.” A UC Davis professor tweeted, “Zionist journalists … have houses w addresses, kids in school,” adding “they can fear their bosses, but they should fear us more.” There are, sadly, countless other examples. ... I have heard few campus administrators speak out publicly about the antisemitism that has become prevalent this month. They want to seem neutral or not be perceived as Islamophobic. I understand. I, too, refrained from speaking out against those who defended Hamas’ terrorist attack. But when do we stop being silent and when do we say the antisemitism must be condemned and it is not acceptable on our campuses? I believe this must be that time. To be clear, I — and I hope all of us — mourn the loss of life in Israel and in Gaza. There is surely room in our hearts to feel compassion for all who are in danger and all who have lost loved ones. But it is simply wrong to confuse condemning antisemitism with ignoring the plight of the Palestinians. Of course, criticism of the Israeli government is not antisemitism, any more than criticizing the policies of the United States government is anti-American. I strongly oppose the policies of the Netanyahu government, favor full rights for Palestinians, and believe that there must be a two-state solution. But if you listen to what is being said on college campuses now, some of the loudest voices are not advocating for a change in Israeli policies, but are calling for an end to Israel. Students regularly chant, “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” and “We don’t want no two states, we want all of 48,” referring to going back to 1948 before Israel existed.
