You really seem to have a very unrealistic view of what the conditions are in Gaza or how a hospital operates. This is one of the densest places in the World. It’s not just easy to move especially when the IDF is bombing southern Gaza too even as they tell people to move there. It’s also not easy to just evacuate or move a hospital. Even here in the US during natural disasters like hurricanes hospitals frequently aren’t evacuated because it’s difficult to move critical patients and equipment. honestly your posts read like it’s the doctors and nurses fault they didn’t keep our armed gunmen or can’t get themselves and their patients away from being bombed. Hamas certainly deserves blame for hiding out and basing in hospitals putting the patients and staff there at risk and the IDF doesn’t seem to care about those either.
I doubt the numbers of casualties are accurate but I absolutely believe thousands have died in Gaza. You can be leveling apartment buildings in dense neighborhoods without killing many. All of this was predictable though once Hamas raided into Israel. That thousands were going to die on the Palestinian side. This whole Situation is a clusteref—- from the beginning.
Dude's been sharing the whole life story of dead Israelis, but it's just a "number" when the ones who are dying are Palestinians.
If an action requires rationalization to seem acceptable, it has already crossed the ethical line. Hamas is bad for using human shields. IDF is bad for bombing through human shields. Some here think Palestinians have a choice. They don't. They are being fked over by both Hamas and IDF. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city In an audio recording released by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF), a member of the military intelligence directorate’ can be heard calling a Palestinian man in Gaza to persuade him and his family to flee south towards Khan Younis. But the recipient of the call complains that it is hard to comply with the Israeli warning because Hamas is blocking roads on the route south, and “just sending people back home”. The man adds that Hamas is shooting at Palestinians attempting to leave the area.
Nearly everyone is now saying you can't trust their number. But they actually have been historically reliable. Reliability of casualty counts Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) fatality reportage deviation 2008-2021.[3] As of 26 October 2023, the Gaza Health Ministry was the sole official source of data on Palestinian casualties in Gaza during the 2023 Israel-Hamas war,[4] (although these numbers are also published by the West Bank-based Palestinian health ministry, which confirms them with its Gaza-based staff.)[3] Following heavily disputed initial casualty reports made in the immediate aftermath of the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion, the Ministry was subjected to accusations of inflating casualty figures.[5] Former Reuters regional bureau chief Luke Baker said that the Ministry's death tolls are no longer trustworthy and "any health official stepping out of line and not giving the death tolls that Hamas wants reported to journalists risks serious consequences."[6] Yet, other sources argue that Gaza's Health Ministry also includes officials from the secular Fatah party and independents.[7] Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani, without citing specific evidence, later accused the Ministry of spreading "propaganda",[5] while US President Joe Biden stated he had "no confidence" in the casualty numbers being reported.[8][9] When asked what evidence supported Biden's comments, the White House referred to subsequent comments made by National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby, who asserted that the death toll cannot be taken "at face value", and that the "Gaza Ministry of Health is just a front for Hamas."[10] In response to these accusations, commentators pointed out that Gaza Health Ministry's numbers have historically been considered reliable by the United Nations, the World Health Organization, Human Rights Watch, and the United States Department of State.[11][12][13] Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, said "the numbers coming out of the ministry are not beyond reason", and noted a grey area in differentiating combatants from civilians among the dead, as well as emphasized that immediately released figures may often be different from those ultimately based on recorded data.[14] Palestinian political analyst Nour Odeh has asserted the process of issuing death certificates is not done not by political figures. but by health professionals, insisting "this process enables families to deal with issues such as inheritance and custody of children whose parents have died.
Would more patients die if they evacuated the hospital or if they remained in the hospital and it was bombed?
They've been within 5%. Of course the error was on the side of their PR propaganda push. But still not horribly inflated either.
LOL, lawyers and BBS posters don't have the medical and facility knowledge to answer this. Here is what we do know: More patients survive if the hospital is not bombed.
Israel needs to take over the GAZA - and put in their government - that is the only way peace can happen there now. Then they should rebuild together with the Palestinians. DD
Palestine needs to take over Israel and put in their government that is the only way peace can happen there now. Then they should rebuild together with Israelis.
The outrage from that would further destabilize Israel's security going forward. The outrage would make it near impossible for more moderate Palestinian political movements to gain traction. It would make it difficult to build any relationships with SA or other nations towards which they were previously making progress. It is an easier solution for them, for sure. But it isn't helpful and wouldn't secure the kind of working alliance between the number of nations needed to help ensure a workable and just path forward.
