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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. tallanvor

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    so hillary committed war crimes, but now she gets it...
     
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    Jared Kushner on Fox News just said:
    Jews are safer in Saudi Arabia than US Campuses

    OK.
     
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    Poor girl got raped, then beheaded.

    This is what people like @Exiled celebrate, and what woke leftists on US campuses support.



    https://www.timesofisrael.com/germa...paraded-by-terrorists-in-gaza-confirmed-dead/

    German-Israeli Shani Louk, seen paraded by terrorists in Gaza, confirmed dead

    ZAKA rescue service identifies piece of skull in Israel, tells family she cannot be alive without it; parents express some relief that she’s not suffering, but funeral impossible

    Shani Louk, 22, a German-Israeli woman who was seen being taken to the Gaza Strip during Hamas’s October 7 onslaught, has been confirmed dead, her family said Monday.

    “Unfortunately we received the news yesterday that my daughter is no longer alive,” Louk’s mother Ricarda told the German outlet RTL.

    Louk had been at a rave party near the Gaza border where terrorists mowed down attendees with gunfire and grenades, killing some 260 people during their October 7 onslaught.


    Her family was informed of her death overnight.

    Ricarda Louk first raised the alarm about her daughter after she recognized her in videos circulating online, due to her striking tattoos and dyed hair.

    The videos, which quickly spread around the world, showed a half-naked woman lying seemingly unconscious face-down in the back of a pickup truck in Gaza filled with armed men.

    It seemed likely at the time that Louk was no longer alive, but the family held out hope.

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    Shani Louk, a German and Israeli citizen who was identified on the truck of Hamas terrorists by her dreadlocks and tattoos. (Courtesy Shani Louk Instagram)
    Members of Louk’s family received a letter from the Israeli ZAKA rescue service Sunday night saying that a bone from the base of her skull, without which a person cannot survive, had been recovered, genetically tested and determined to have belonged to Shani.

    Though Louk has been declared dead, her body remains in Gaza. Earlier this month, German media reported unconfirmed information that Louk was in a hospital in the enclave with critical injuries. That appears to have been false.

    Nissim, Louk’s father, told Channel 13 that he was glad to receive the news because the alternative would have been worse.

    “I’m happy. First, that this thing is over, that we know exactly what happened,” he said. “Because I know where she is, she isn’t lying in some tunnel under Gaza, where every minute we are firing at them and all the earth is shaking and there is dust and it’s impossible to breathe.

    “We know she is dead, we know she didn’t suffer, we also know a minute before the murderers came she was dancing, she was happy, she prayed, she went wild, with all her friends around her, and she had fun,” he added.

    Ricarda, her mother, also expressed relief after receiving the news.

    “On the one hand, [I feel] sadness, because there is no chance they will return her; on the other hand, we have clarity at least on what happened to her, and it gives us a kind of closure,” she told Kan news.

    She added that the family was sitting shiva — the traditional week-long Jewish mourning period — but it was impossible to have a funeral at this stage because they only had some of Louk’s body parts.

    The Hamas terror group launched a massive assault on southern Israel on October 7. Some 2,500 terrorists slaughtered over 1,400 people, the vast majority of them civilians, and abducted at least 239 people to the Strip.

    Israel has responded with intensive strikes on Gaza and a gradually expanding ground operation, declaring its intention to eradicate the terror group that rules the Strip.

    Days after the October 7 massacre, German federal prosecutors announced a probe into Hamas on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering German citizens.
     
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    how would you suggest they "punish" Hamas?
     
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    you mean equating.
     
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    Basso and ATW are too stupid to realize crude propaganda when they see it.
     
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    Every day that goes by Israel is spending its remaining "get out of jail for war crimes" based on the Holocaust.
     
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    Few avenues. It’s stressful to think about because the easiest answer is collective punishment.

    Embargo Qatar. Embargo Turkey even.
    If the funds stop, then Hamas’s legitimacy tanks. Gaza is effectively run by an Islamist cartel whose chief export is terror. Prospering people would not tolerate it. For reference the average Gaza earns $3.3k per year while the average Israeli makes $60k per year. How do you build prosperity in Gaza is a billion dollar question. Because of Egypt and Israel, they have no water rights, no viable trade routes, and there is no real industry. Even without the embargo or even a state of Israel, Gaza is too populated for what it is.

    Re-empower the PLO. The PLO is recognized by Israel and Israel is recognized by the PLO based on Oslo. Hamas has neither.
    The 2019 quote by Bibi Netenyahu saying Israel must support Hamas because Hamas will mean there will never be a Palestinian state should be reversed.

    Ally with non-Hamas, non-Islamist factions, and promote development of functional civil services. Imagine how different this conflict would be if Hamas committed this, and instead of supporting Hamas because they oppose Israel your Palestinian street would arrest the Hamas terrorists themselves.

    They need a way to treat Israelis and Palestinians as equal under law including application of the law.

    Right now we are in the 1800s with the Americans and the Natives. At some point, we achieved peace and tribal sovereignty still exists. That’s is most likely what a two-state solution will look like until a new power conquers the entire region.
     
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    Yes I do
     
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    At the heart of the issue is that both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to the entire territory but their visions are completely opposed as Palestinians were apart of either a secular, socialist Pan Arab empire or an Islamist, ultra-conservative Islamic empire whereas the Israelis see their state as the homeland for the Jewish diaspora, religious or not, and this land is theirs by divine right.

    In reality, neither group existed before the Iron Age and both groups claims are valid internally and invalid externally.

    From an American perspective, it’s better to have Israel than not because it disrupts the formation of either a unified pan Arab state or Islamic empire as both of those would lead to the death of the oil economy as divided, rival Arab kingdoms are a lot easier to negotiate with. And soon they’ll all be under the US protectorate against the Persians.
     
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    Those aren’t the same groups. Secular humanists are not allied with religious fundamentalists.
     
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    you must not have gone to Cornell.
     
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    how does Israel alone, embargoing Qatar and Turkey, prevent Iran, or any other islamist faction from supplying weapons to Hamas?
     
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    is this the Hamas favorite video game ?
    @Xerobull
     
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    All the Hamas had to do was not kill and murder civilians and take 200 hostages
     
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    They should really send all the Hamas supporters to the Gaza so they help the people there with some drag shows
     
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