Well if you’re the owner shaking the boat after 1 game of little progress from an entirely new team still featuring 3 core young guys, then you are a detriment to the team building. You are just flat out wrong that there should be clear progress on day 1. It takes a few months to get 70-80% where you wanna go. That’s life, the greatest coach in history is not going to do better than that with the TYPE of issues we have. You convinced yourself of a myth and now mad about it. You have to take a step back. I can’t believe you’re debating with me about 1 game.
That’s a good post. It used to be that NBA players were asked to be role models for inner-city kids and promote reading, literacy and staying in school. I remember they had NBA-ears going to schools and reading to kids… Now we have what by all accounts are nice young men, from good families, like Jalen Green and Ja Morant posing as gangstas and mentally challenged for some idiotic street cred. Fakers and posers, but as you say, there are many kids who watch and emulate, to their detriment. That’s why Silver went ballistic on Morant, even though there was no crime committed, it’s the effect on impressionable kids that bothered him. But Silver’s a clueless old fart, I guess…
It was a risk, not a guarantee, as I have clearly stated lots of guys are risks off the court that mature over time, KPJ is what? 23? He probably will as well. And lots of NBA players and current coaches had similar issues.....Jason Kid, Rasheed Wallace - doesn't make it right, but there is precedence where people grow up and become better people. He was a hedge against Green and from what I understand they thought KPJ was the better player - I don't blame them for hedging, I blame them for enabling - they could have taken a zero tolerance policy and pushed him forward instead of enabling him - 100% poor parenting......IMHO. Anyway the dude is gone, the team is worse because he and KMJ are gone and they were 2 of our more efficient scorers and it will take a while for the rest of the guys to gel.....let's hope that Green can develop, because right now in year 3, he looks the same as in year 1. DD
Yeah I'm referring to Sengun, who I'm also a fan of, but let's not pretend like he doesn't get rose tinted goggles behaviour and can do no wrong, yet the person we've drafted who's shown by far the most star-like level of production is considered a bust every single time he misses a shot. It's ridiculous. Sengun can do no wrong, yet has struggled to clear 15 points for his entire NBA career. Green scores more than 20 points in well over half of his games in a season and it's "he only puts up good scoring numbers every 3 or 4 games" - pure biased idiocy.
Scoring 15 points per game with a 60% TS% is a LOT more impressive than scoring 22 points per game with a sub-54% TS% and that's not even factoring in Sengun's advantages over Green both when it comes to passing the ball and on defense. Celebrating mindless chucking isn't a good look.
I’m not sure I agree Green has shown more “star like” level of production. He’s extremely inefficient. That’s mostly due to his age/lack of experience and in general being a guard that has to shoot and attack from outside — but Sengun contributes on both ends of the floor. He’s usually very efficient, taking much less shots on average, and also rebounds. green looks more star like because he is bouncy and has scored a lot in some games — but inefficiently. If Sengun got the same amt of shots would he have as many high scoring games? Prob not because he doesn’t shoot 3s. But he would be scoring 20+ more often if he got as many shots that Green got last year. This year I haven’t felt like Green has gotten a lot of shots — haven’t looked at stats though. But he didn’t look good in preseason (not as bad as Sengun) and it’s only been one game so hard to judge for this season, can only judge based on previous two. I would argue it’s your bias that sees Green as the current higher prospect and it’s likely based on his physical attributes. Sengun is slower and he’s not “tall” for a big. That puts him at a disadvantage if you don’t make up for it with intelligent play and positioning. He has realllllllly improved his defensive positioning thus far. His defense in preseason was quite impressive. greens? Kind of non existent still. But I like that he has publicly acknowledged his flaws and says he’s committed to improving. But based on night in, night out and considering all aspects of the game, Sengun is most certainly the more impressive player and closest thing to a star. Consistency is what makes stars. And the days of high volume, inefficient, one sided players as all stars are kind of over. Dame is the last one. Maybe Steph too.
He needs to see trainer Coach Johnson. He trains Donovan and Maxey on finishing moves every offseason. Green seriously lacks finishing moves.
My issues are with Jalen almost exclusively. Now that KPj, Wood and Nix are gone, he's in the crosshairs. He needs to start showing stuff and he needs to show it quick. He does not have until All Star Break like everyone else.
For the most part, Green has shown "star-like" production because he was handed the keys as a rookie. He's been in the position majority of players dream of when they enter the league. Even Kobe didn't get the amount of touches Green has gotten - Only averaging close to 7 ppg his rookie season and 15 ppg his second year. You could still tell he would eventually become the Lakers franchise player. Green isn't a bust, he just hasn't shown he's a player a team should build around. Nor does he have the effenciency or mentality (yet?) He was the 2nd pick in the draft vs Sengun being 16th. Jalen's making close to $10 million this season vs Sengun's $3.5 million. More is expected from Jalen. For him to be a star, consistency is key so playing well every 3 to 4 games won't cut it. People really shouldn't compare the two because Sengun hasn't come close to getting the amount of touches Green has and they play two different positions. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08...21-nba-first-round-picks.html#google_vignette
KPJ was not really our player, he was picked by Milwaukee and then transferred to Cleveland, so I have no idea why Stone would want to claim him as his own.
So you’re saying you are always going to have a problem with someone or another. Got it. More important for you to recognize that you went from “let’s see what happens” to “I can’t take it anymore” based on one instance. No one is going to take that seriously. The issue is with you, the situation is just facilitating it. It’s an absurdly extreme opinion to say he has to show something now and doesn’t have half a season like 14 other players on the roster. There’s no reason that’s the case except an arbitrary line you’re drawing in the sand.
