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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Jeremy Williams, Sep 12, 2020.

  1. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
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    Or starting a catcher that can't throw, catch, block, frame, hit, or run every single game because none of the top pitchers threw to the other catcher for more than 18 innings all regular season? Correa also sabotaged us saying Maldy can call a game 2 days after saying almost the pitch calling was predictable?
     
  2. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
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    Or starting a catcher that can't throw, catch, block, frame, hit, or run every single game because none of the top pitchers threw to the other catcher for more than 18 innings all regular season?
     
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    now we wait for Maldy's retirement announcement
     
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  4. JayGoogle

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    I'll just say this. He gave us a chip in 2022, I'll ALWAYS appreciate him for that. Without that 2022 chip this team would get no respect since the first one is tarnished in the eyes of many, that 2022 chip legitimized this run, even if they don't win another, that one legitimized the run.

    So I thank him for that.

    The game passed him up a long time ago, I think the team had moved on from him too, grew content this year, but whatever. They got one for Dusty, they got one for the city, for that I'll always appreciate him.

    Hopefully he goes out with some dignity and just retire so that the Astros won't be forced to tell him to go.
     
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    Exactly !!! Threw the game away
     
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  6. ApacheWarrior

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    Said it before and I'll say it again, Dusty is dusty....too old school.

    Argues with analytics the front office puts forth.

    Bring in fresh young blood that agrees with the F.O. mindset.

    ....and trade for Juan Soto (send out Jose Abreu)

    Starting lineup next year:
    1st Base - Yordan Alvarez
    2nd Base - Altuve
    3rd Base - Bregman
    SS - Pena
    Left Field - Juan Soto 35 HR, 109 RBI's, .275 BA, 132 walks, 156 hits
    Center Field - McCormick / Dubon
    Right Field - Tucker
    Catcher - Diaz

    *Abreu - 18 HR, 90 RBI's, .237 BA, 40 walks, 128 hits
     
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  7. IdStrosfan

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    1) what makes you think this team has anything valuable enough to trade for Soto? There is no way the Padres trade Soto to the Astros without Diaz in the deal.

    2) What in his 540 games played in the MLB (incl. Postseason) makes you think Yordan can play first? He has exactly 0 innings there. If he could, don't you think he would have by now?
     
  8. panamamyers

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    How do you let France pitch to 8 guys that inning and only get 2 outs?
    He should been outta there after the semien walk before any runs were even scored.
    Some combination of Chas and Pena would likely be enough. Even if that means that those two guys go to another team and it's s 3 way trade since SD has Bogarts already. Soto only has one year left before free agency. No way any team would give away five cheap years of Diaz for one of Soto at an elevated salary.
     
  9. Snake Diggit

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    The Padres need to shed payroll, add pitching, and get better on defense. I think a trade built around Hunter Brown and Jake Meyers could make sense for Soto; that deal would probably be bad for Houston if SD didn’t eat salary and/or throw in a decent prospect. As good as he is, he is a rental who will carry a big salary in his final arbitration year, so the surplus value is GREATLY diminished from when he was previously traded. Plus, SD won’t be rebuilding, which means they’ll be looking for MLB players in return vs prospects, which limits who they will be engaging with, since the only teams interested in deals like that will be fellow contenders with surplus on their big league roster.

    Astros get:
    OF Juan Soto
    P Adam Mazur
    $8M

    Padres get:
    SP Hunter Brown
    OF Jake Meyers
    RHP Forrest Whitley
    RHP Shawn Dubin
     
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  10. Tomstro

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    I couldn’t handle another Dusty year.

    A lot of you are saying this season was “fun”.

    Honestly, for me, it was frustrating. Yes we made it to within one game of the WS, and the playoff wins were definitely fun and cool.

    I’m proud of the Astros for getting this far considering all the issues they faced this year.

    Obviously, I hate the way we went out. Absolutely hate it.

    Dusty was a huge drain this season with his favoritism and cooky decision making. He cared more about doing it his way that winning. Never letting Diaz catch our top 3 starters and his treatment of Chas (starting with opening 2 games of the season) turned me sour on Dusty. There are obviously other things too. Those two things stand out though. He definitely put player development on hold, knowing it was his last season. Very selfish and stubborn manager.
     
  11. IdStrosfan

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    I agree that these "make sense" but I just don't see San Diego letting go of him without multiple players who project to be all stars and difference makers.

    It would be different if they had a new GM but this GM just gave up 5 potential impact players for him 1 1/2 years ago.

    He would get crucified by the fans and local media so I think he would rather just try to win again I. 2024 unless he gets multiple top 100 type talents.
     
  12. megastahr

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    Soto will cost framber + prospects but i would do that
     
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    Letting/encouraging his players go stat chasing is probably the worse... getting 5 IP to qualify for wins when they obviously only had the stuff and stamina to get through the lineup twice backfired more than once.
     
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    There are no assets to get Soto. Period unless you are surrendering Bregman, Tucker, Framber, and B. Abreu
     
  15. ApacheWarrior

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    Exactly, we should have signed him last summer as the Padres paid him $23M. Instead we overpaid an aging Jose Abreu and middle relief pitcher $33 M.

    You rant your way and I'll rant my way
     
  16. IdStrosfan

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    It has nothing to do with ranting.

    It has to do with being in the real world.

    I love the idea it's just not realistic.
     
  17. Mr.Scarface

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    U are delusional.
     
  18. Mr.Scarface

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    Um Soto was never a Free Agent. You have no clue…
     
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    We can safely say that the decisions in the 9th Inning game 5 for dubon and Singleton were Dusty's, you have to realize all of this is discussed ahead of time and those decisions were already made by the bottom of the 8th inning.
     
  20. Snake Diggit

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    That’s fine for you to have that opinion. But I would challenge you to breakdown the surplus values of the players I proposed in the deal to expose my delusion.

    Soto projects for ~6 war next year, his last year of control. He will make >$30M via arbitration. He has somewhere between $20M and $40M of surplus value.

    Brown was a 1.8 fwar pitcher this season as a rookie. He has 5 more years of control. I estimate he has between $20M and $70M of surplus value. There is a case to be made that Brown is more valuable than Soto by himself.

    Meyers was a 1.7 fwar OF this season. He comes with 4 more years of control. I estimate he has between $10M and $30M of surplus value.

    Whitley and Dubin are high ceiling pitching prospects whose stock has fallen. I won’t argue their value, they can be considered throw-ins. Mazur is a 2nd or 3rd tier pitching prospect. Take him out if you think he by himself makes the deal “delusional”. SD eating $8M is also not a big needle mover; take that out if you think the difference between realistic and delusional is $8M or less.

    Show me, with numbers, why you think Brown as a headliner for 1 year of $30M Soto is delusional as a realistic return.
     
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