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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. NewAge

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    KPJ mannerisms annoyed a lot of people, but fact is he was trying on defense, was OK at defending the point of attack and was also making the correct reads most of the time both on offense and on D. It’s just the promise of 2021 KPJ never materialized, and then on top of that there was the character issue.

    we’ll have to see now about what happens of Green and Sengun. We’ll just have to see how things develop, I don’t think anyone can say for certain.
     
  2. Tom Bombadillo

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    This goes for every other player in the NBA, btw.
     
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    You'll find that "accountability" is a dirty word around these parts.
     
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    What about when he missed a rotation or got abused in the paint like with Jake Valanciunas?
     
  5. hlmbasketball

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    Im not a fan of any one player and where this "Only Fandom" came from, I don't know but I wish it would go back!

    Ill admit, I was a fan of KPJ's game. I think he is very talented and while he was here, the Rockets had him playing many roles under an incompetent head coach, so naturally he was not going to succeed.

    However, I wish him the best but now that he's no longer a ROCKET....Its whatever! I'm a fan of the Rockets, not KPJ! Same when Dream got traded to Toronto.

    As for Sengun, it says a lot about him when the Rockets went after Brook Lopez. Just like they went hard after FVV to takeover the PG position, they want someone to takeover at the center position.

    It's obvious to all the people who say Sengun grew over the summer, that it was a lie! He is still 6'9 - 6'10 with his neck making up 1.5' to 2' inches, nor is he overly athletic. And when you're effective on one end of the court but not the other how effective are you?

    We can argue back and forth all day about Sengun being a franchise player, all-star, etc. but like I said, the fact they went after a 35yr old center to take his position says a lot.
     
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  6. daywalker02

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    I guess you are overreacting, I think it transpired that Brook Lopez was projected to only play 20-24 minutes to secure the Defense.......

    It was going to be a big bandaid for a couple years.

    I am against short term decisions like that but it cannot be helped.
     
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  7. hlmbasketball

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    He was coming in to start!
     
  8. daywalker02

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    Lol I assume it is not your first year covering an NBA team.....

    Sefolosha was a starter but he only played 18 minutes for the Thunder.

    That is why I am not a fan of short term fixes......I already said.

    It blocks the proper development of players, you migh as well trade Alpe for him to develop.

    Backfires if or when Lopez is injured.
     
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  9. hlmbasketball

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    Tabo was a defensive specialist! Brook Lopez can do more. He offers both offense and defense, which Sengun does not.

    He was going to be brought in to start. Sengun was going to play between 15 -20 mins a game.
     
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    God, I am not here to discuss things, I am only saying it was a mistake thinking like that.

    But Lopez was never going to play more than 28 mpg, he is old.

    And yeah, if Lopez was to play that many minutes, it is a mistake by the organization and Ime.

    We fans have to stomach shet like that .....
     
  11. hlmbasketball

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    They've been saying it since the end of last season, they want to win! And after watching film and hiring Ime, I think the mindset was they needed a center and a point guard.

    I think they still need a starting center
     
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    I get your point. I personally believe that they went hard after Lopez not just for his defense but also for his ability to better space the floor with his outside shooting. Seeing some of the offensive sets during the preseason just further confirms that for me.

    The thought process may have been bring in Lopez to start at the position while Alpi works on his outside shooting with Alpi being the definite future big. Maybe even having some rotations where they play both like Horford and Williams.

    I believe Sengun would have played more than 15-20 min a game though.
     
  13. daywalker02

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    I do not really care, it is an unnatural process, it is like self sabotaging 3 years where you try to expedite building Frankenstein's monster.

    You already do not know what the ceiling of those young players is, and now you are trying to sort those guys out when they are 21-22.

    Lmao, really smart. It is just not the time to do it, you do it when they hit 24-25 but not now.

    It has a good chance to be a purgatory of mediocrity ...again.
     
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    I do think Ime is a good coach to win but I am sure he is not a good GM and the engineer of a young team, and the GM is just an attorney who goes thru the process.

    He does not really care about the human in players, he just use them to boost his own prestige.

    I am really glad that the Lopez' decision or Cameron dropping to 20th spot is saving Rafa Stone lol.....because his initial decisions are so cringeworthy.
     
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    The people that keep saying Alp is 6’9 are either blind or seeing through their own biases.
    He is clearly at or above Jabari height. They’re both right at 6’11 in shoes. Give or take a bit
     
  16. hlmbasketball

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    I do think it take players until they are in their mid - 20's to mature and gain experience to obtain a full evaluation of that player. I said that on many occasions regarding KPJ too but then he got into trouble.

    My only issue with Sengun has been his athletic ability and shooting prowess. He's not effective at either and even with maturity and experience, how much better can he be?
     
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    Portland has skipped 1-2 years with the Damian and Jrue trades in 1 week .....that is how teams are handling it.

    People or the team has been on Sengün for a scape goat.....while there are a lot of players you could pin the blame on.

    But of course blame the 16th pick.......
     
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  18. hlmbasketball

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    You cant compare the two. Different body types. Jabari has longer arms and legs, plus he's quicker. Sengun has shorter legs and arms and he's slower laterally. Thats why Jabari can get his shot off where ever and Sengun can't. Hes constantly being blocked under the goal.

    If Sengun was built like Jokic; longer arms and legs it would be a plus, but he's not.

    And that's why I think he struggles against bigger players.
     
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  19. hlmbasketball

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    Portland was very smart, getting centers. I love those moves. They understand how to build a team.

    I like our team but I feel we are a donut....good surrounding parts but a hole in the middle.
     
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    They literally have the same wingspan
    And you don’t see Jabari take shots at the rim
     
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