There has never been a situation where America's goal was to spread democracy. The vast majority of not all of American forced regime change either through fujding fascist death squads or direct invasion was for pure economic interest mainly wanting to turn third world nations into cheap labor factories for American profit interests where all profits return back to America while a select few in those countries get wealthy of it while the workers don't and revolt and then American media labels these people as commies and hence the "war on communism". It was a war to make sure poor countries were cheap labor factories for our interests. That's the "war on communism".
A hypothetical is not indictive of the reality that a Swedish resident isn't waking up in his country worrying about ordinance drops. It's not a thing crossing the minds of Western Europeans outside of Ukraine.
But they are worried about the rising crime rate associated with the immigrants that they have taken in that are not assimilating into their society. DD
Are we talking about collateral damage or immigration now? I'm saying that western folks who will never have to fear the sky for ordinance drops are using post hoc rationalization to moralize the concept of collateral damage being a mere circumstance of our efforts to spread democracy.
Lol man you are really lacking basic communication skills. You can’t even keep your argument straight without jumping around to different things. Newsflash - you’re not right and nobody really gives a **** what you think you know that you don’t know. You and your friend moronpk should get a room and let the adults talk in here. K Tks
US policy "israel right or wrong". is indeed a pretty good recruiter. Brutal occupation never makes anyone less moderate in theology or politics. As far as Hamas goes we should keep in mind that Israel helped fund Hamas in its early days to oppose the secular PLO who opposed Israeli occupation. It is sort of like the wealthy WASP GOP leaders who supported fundamentalists entered the GOP and now some of them are not too happy. There is some indication that Hamas would moderate and lose much of its popularity if Israel would agree to a western sytle democracy with equal rights for all. Would quite a few of their leaders still psh fr theocracy as the Othodox Israelis and Christian Nationalists do in the US. I would assume so but with peace add justice I would be that they would never approacha majority. Israel at times and the US sometimes like to say that Hamas is not popular with all Palestinians and even the refugees inprisioned in GAZA. I would be cautious the carefully controlled media on exactly how fanatically theocratic every Hamas member is. You should always keep in mind the stories of two weeks ago about Hamas raping women on October 7th and beheading Israeli babies to mention just a few of the propaganda stories that have been debunked so far. In 2006 Hamas narrowly won the elections which were for both the West Bank and Gaza. Elections which those fanatics at the Carter Center and other international observers said were legitimate. Israel immediately started their criminal war crime of a blockade which has persisted to this day. It was a surprise to the US and Israel's patron the US. Need to review, but I am not sure Abbas who lost largely. because he was viewed as a corrupt stooge who cooperated with the occupiers , then stayed in power and has never won for election again. Given the impasse it is not surprising that Hamas's popularity has waxed and waned.
I don't know... it might change some minds/hearts. But it was an absolutely awful thing to see. I can only imagine losing a child like that. ****ing senseless!
You say "Never have to fear" when you don't know that - eventually all countries fail, and fall and turnover - so at some point that will happen to the USA too. Where is that information confirmed? And both sides are full of **** in their propaganda - children dying is horrific - simply horrific - but for some reason, neither HAMAS or ISAREAL are stopping the killing. And it is BOTH sides doing it........these IDIOTS marching for one side or the other are completely in the wrong. DD
Let's just say almost everyone agrees on this. What should Israel and the International community do to free the hostages, destroy Hamas and bring to justice any Hamas terrorist who participated in the murder, rape, torture, kidnapping or burning of women, children, elderly and families? Maypk suggested a ceasefire, Hamas to free civilian hostages (but keep IDF soldiers, including young females), open a safe haven in Israel and West Bank for Palestinian civilians and, using Intelligence, separate the terrorists from the civilians. Once civilians are removed to the safe haven, then Israel could begin their campaign fighting against whichever terrorists remained in Gaza (and hopefully no civilians refuse to leave). Then, they will agree to a 2 state solution and this will, hopefully, not breed any more radical extremist Islamic militant terrorists. Do you agree with that? Or do you have different suggestions? Or do you think Israel should withdraw completely, leave the hostages there, leave Hamas in power and what....?
Why would Hamas agree to this? Hamas *wants* civilians mixed with their soliders/terrorists - that's what urban warfare is all about. They aren't going to say "yes, lets expose all of our people and put them in a small kill zone so you can just bomb us all to oblivion".
There's nothing to suggest this is the case. In total, the estimates are about 2-3,000 Palestinians. That would include adults, Hamas soldiers, etc.
