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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. right1

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    Do you agree with the statement below? What are your thoughts on this? What would happen in Turkiye and how would you react if strict Islamic shariah law was implemented such as how Hamas has ruled in Gaza since 2006? What role do you think Turkiye should have in defeating radical Islamic militant terror groups such as ISIS, Islamic Jihad and Hamas? Did you agree with Turkiye partnering with the U.S. and allowing the use of air base Incerlik in the fight against ISIS?
    Do you agree that..
    If all 9 million Israeli citizens picked up and evacuated and dispersed throughout the Americas, Europe and the rest of the world, completely leaving the land of Israel/Palestine from the borders of Lebanon to Jordan to Egypt entirely to the Palestinians....
    there would still be millions of extremist Islamic jihadists and supporters whether called Hamas ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, etc who would still want to murder, rape and kill Jews, Christians, Atheists, infidels, gays, westerners, women who don't wear hijabs, women who dance, girls who want to go to school or play sports, men and boys who don't adhere to strict rules of Islamic dress code and haircuts, people who disrespect the Quran, cartoonists who draw pictures of Muhammed, etc., etc., etc.
     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    That's like saying eating a vegetarian burger makes you a meat eater.
     
  3. maypk

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    Easy. Turkiye have been fighting against terrorism and terrorists for more than 40 years. And not in the lands they occupy but in their own lands. TR didn't launch an attack in any hospitals or schools in that 40 years.

    TR is a secular country with millions of secular people unlike Palestine and Israel so i'm not worried about that. What i know is that there's not much difference between islamic shariah and jewish shariah. They're both cruel and outdated.

    TR has already fought against ISIS and beat them in Northern Syria and i don't think Hamas is an islamic terrorist group. Even if it is, it's not the concern of TR. I can ask the same thing, What role do you think Israel and USA should have in defeating ethnic terror groups such as PKK-SDF-YPG?

    TR did not partner with the US and allow the use of Incirlik air base in the fight against ISIS. The US has been using the Incirlik air base since long before ISIS was even founded. And of course i don't agree with it since the US policymakers view TR as a threat not an ally. Hence, not selling Patriots and forcing TR to buy S-400 and then sanction TR with CAATSA and funding and arming the PKK/YPG/SDF terrorists in Northern Syria so they should not be allowed to use Incirlik Air Base in my opinion.

    I never said Israeli citizens should be evacuated from the Middle east, i said Israel should withdraw from the lands they currently occupy.

    Launching terror attacks on hospitals and mosques are not going to make them less radical.
     
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    Even the son of a founding Hamas leader says Hamas needs to be wiped out for the sake of Palestinians
     
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    What do you think they are? Freedom fighters? The salvation army?
     
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    This is good dialogue. I would like to hear more regarding the above statements. You don't think Israeli citizens (including Jews) should be evacuated or leave the Middle East? Does this include Israel/Palestine lands? You think Israelis should be allowed to stay, but in place of a two state solution, do you think it should be under Palestinian rule? Or are you talking about pre-1967 borders? Are you for a 2 state solution?

    Also, how would you advise Israel and the world to go about freeing the hostages, especially women, children and elderly? What steps would you suggest Israel and the International community take in bringing to justice the specific members of Hamas that perpetrated brutal attacks on women, children and families? Do you think they should be held accountable and brought to justice?
     
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    Of course i'm for a 2 state solution where East Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine.

    Not bombing hospitals and bazaars would be a good first step on freeing the hostages. If they let humanitarian aid into Gaza and announce a ceasefire, i don't think Hamas will hold any civilian hostages. They already released few through dialogue with Qatar. I don't think there's much hope for Israeli soldiers that got kidnapped.

    Of course those Hamas members should be held accountable and brought to justice. Alongside with Netanyahu and his government. They're all war criminals and should be tried.
     
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    I'm not going to bother trying to explain you the diffrence between ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram and Hamas.
     
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    They are all Islamist terrorists who murder innocent people.
     
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    ISIS, Al Qaeda and Boko Haram has militants from all over the world. All Hamas militants are Palestinians. Got it? So even if those Hamas member Palestinians believed in flying monkeys instead of Allah, Hamas would still exist. Not that difficult to understand, no?
     
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    you haven't answered the original question: what should the borders of a Palestinian state "from the river to the sea" encompass?
     
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    You haven't answered why do you keep posting false & unverified information from Twitter?

    Oh, I've already answered that question before you asked.
     
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    They don't believe in flying monkeys though. They are Islamists.
     
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    The Democratic Party was associated with racism until it underwent a transformation.

    The Republican Party was known for advocating family values and small government until it was reshaped into its current form during Trump's tenure.

    The NSDAP (Nazi Party) initially promoted socialism and workers' rights until Hitler fundamentally changed its ideology. Hitler started the German's conservative and nationalist movement that transformed to a fully fascist party.

    Today, some individuals on the right still claim that the Democratic Party is racist and label the Nazi Party as socialist. They continue to use these Nazi socialist talking points, as if undermining what the NAZI stood for under Hitler is important. I recall someone saying that's how you can spot a would-be autocrat.
     
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    I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

    The Nazis were "national socialists" - it's even in their name.
     
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    But, how do Israel, Palestinians and the International community go about holding accountable and bringing to justice the 3,000-5,000 Hamas members (and ISIS, Islamic Jihad members) that participated in planning, executing and committing murders and atrocities against women, children and families?
    Do they hope their wives, siblings, children and family members turn them in? How do they capture them, arrest them, kill them? How do you destroy Hamas while separating them from the civilian population?
     
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