Well, you introduce a whole new category of "serious" players. LOL. I'd say Westbrook is very serious and Harden is not. Jimmy Butler is very serious and Jokic is not.
He was a fake tough guy, he was lanky and good defender but he lacked real strength inside. But he was the prototypical PF with Tim Duncan that ushered in the era of the PFs again after Barkley and Malone. Before all the Stretch 4s and Undersized 4s and 3s that play the 4. Also the most popular PF therefore The Big Ticket.
Ya i mean there’s a lot of dumb people out there. He’s at absolute worst top 15 if you hate him but objectively he’s top 10. He’s in the duncan/hakeem group
Sengun’s flashy plays are usually quite functional and successful. Very little of his weaknesses are from being flashy imo. Rather he needs more discipline with some of the regular little things.
Nope he is not. Duncan and Keem led teams, KG co-led but he could not lead by himself. Hard to pinpoint but I would say he is outside the Top 10.
Lol funny that is not a take, an opinion, but you can play your shtick all day. Opinions that I would have otherwise kept to myself. As is your opinion he should be in Hakeem's class which I disagree with.
Off the top of my head - Jordan, Lebron, Wilt, Russell, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Kobe, Moses, Duncan, Hakeem, Curry, Shaq etc. He might be top 20. No way is he in the top 15.
Moses is a three time MVP. I could add Giannis and Joker to the list too. I think Kobe is overrated but you’ll find very few people who rank Garnett above him.
Edited for an old list. Kevin Garnett? I wouldn't have him over Moses or Kobe but of course this is purely subjective and not worth spending a whole lot of time debating. This list has both of them ahead of Garnett. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...ed-where-76-basketball-legends-check-our-list
Ya i don’t care who ranks who where, kobe is more popular so people think he’s better. There’s no actual case for kover over kg, they are in different tiers
Not trying to say KG is top 10 but his teams were literally trash. Duncan and Kareem had stacked teams all the time.