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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. LosPollosHermanos

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    these settlers are basically the Hamas equivalent, run in and kill civilians minding their own business. I hope Israel holds them accountable.

    Gaza conflict spills into the West Bank as settler attacks and clashes leave dozens of Palestinians dead
    Zeena Saifi, Becky Anderson and Kareem Khadder, CNN
    Wed, October 18, 2023 at 11:21 PM CDT


    Ibrahim Wadi, 62, and his son Ahmad, 24, were on their way to a funeral for four Palestinians shot dead by Israeli settlers in their occupied West Bank community, when their car came under attack.

    The father and son were driving through the small village of Qusra, just south of Nablus, which has become a focal point of violence over recent days, when they themselves were fired upon by armed settlers on Thursday. Family members told CNN that the men were transferred to a nearby hospital and died of their wounds soon after.

    They are among at least 61 people, including children, to be killed in the occupied West Bank since October 7, when Hamas launched its unprecedented, surprise assault on Israel,according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health there. More than 1,250 have been injured.

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    Hamas’ attack has left more than 1,400 people dead in Israel, mostly civilian, with at least 199 believed to be held hostage inside Gaza, according to Israeli authorities.

    Israel announced a “complete siege” of the enclave in response, carrying out widespread airstrikes across the Gaza Strip that left at least 3,478 people dead and threatening a ground invasion, according to the health ministry in Gaza, which is controlled by Hamas. Meanwhile, tensions are mounting in the West Bank, where Palestinians have been killed in confrontations with both Israeli forces and settlers.

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    Hani Odeh, Qusra's mayor, was also going to the funeral and witnessed settlers in a street where Ahmad and Ibrahim were killed. - CNN
    Hani Odeh, Qusra’s mayor, told CNN that settlers roam freely in the village under the protection of Israeli police. He said he had informed a member of COGAT, Israel’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories, that he was going to attend the funeral, along with Ahmad and Ibrahim.
     
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    Israel suspends and punishes people who commit such individual transgressions. Most Israelis are disgusted by such actions, nobody celebrates thrm.

    Hamas plans them and rewards the people who commit murders. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims across the world publicly celebrate murders of Jews.

    Not the same.
     
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    Those are west bank Palestinians, not Hamas. There have been 55 Palestinians killed by settlers in the west bank - many of them children. Israel does nothing to punish settlers. In fact the IDF just watches and in some cases helps out.
     
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    I agree the Settlers aren’t all of Israel but Hamas isn’t all of the Palestinians
     
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    There is no moral equivalence between Hamas and the settlers.
     
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    Hamas's evil doesn't mean the evil some of these settlers are doing can be swept under the rug.
     
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    and again. Hamas isn't all Palestinians.

    Do you not recognize that difference?
     
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    That's correct. But they aren't on the same level in terms of scale and depravity, and national and global support for their respective actions.
     
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    Not all Germans were Nazis. But like the Nazis were in charge in Germany, Hamas is in charge in Gaza.
     
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    I am not disagreeing with you - but what's your point?

    Fact is that what Hamas does these things to inflame the world and create chaos and destruction. It was horrifying what was done on Oct 7th. And that inspires some settlers to take their anger out on Palestinians doing horrifying things to them. Which inspires other people to take actions against Jews all over the world. Which inspires people to take action against Muslims all over the world.

    it's hard to believe there was a time that Jews and Muslims lived side by side in piece in that land 100 years ago.
     
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    So what should we do then. Firebomb Gaza like we firebombed Dresden?

    This isn't 1944. Gaza isn't Nazi germany. As stated in the other thread I fully understand that Israel has to go after Hamas. That doesn't mean we can't find some ways to help the people trapped in Gaza. Further what tactical advantage does starving the people of Gaza lead to? Does the IDF actually expect Hamas to surrender becuase the people of Gaza are starving? This likely ends up being more of a propaganda victory for Hamas.
     
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    And the fire bombing of Dresden was a cruel and sick act by allied forces. Killing of German innocents was never justified.
     
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    Do you think the IDF and Hamas are different levels in morality?

    Any difference between them for me is attributed to capabilities between a conventional fighting machine vs a non conventional one.
     
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    torturing and burning children alive and taking them hostage is certainly nonconventional
     
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    These type of imagery tactics have to be done for Israeli propaganda due to the nature of the IDF killing 10x more civilians than Hamas over the past 2 decades. Because without that imagery game there really is nothing left for propaganda.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    That is big unsubstantiated talk there sir.....

    You have any proof?

    DD
     
  20. tinman

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    These people can’t get along and the whole region has an opposing religious view
    Look at this stuff popping up every other year

    This ain’t Minnesota

    @AroundTheWorld
     

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