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Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Oct 6, 2023.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    A lot of MAGA are religious fanatics. Like my next door neighbors. Don't get me wrong, I have a great relationship with them. They seem completely normal and friendly in every way, but somehow believe that liberals are evil and want to give their property to the immigrants streaming across the border, but Trump stopped them. Batshit crazy, but still nice enough to take out our wasp nests in the spring without even us asking.
     
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  2. Nook

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    Right - except that isn’t the reason Israel and Netanyahu raised the quota. The quota was raised because it weakened the position of Abbas in the WestBank. Netanyahu knew and his own officials have said that the best way to prevent a unified Palestinian state was to have Hamas weaken Abbas.

    The amount of propaganda out there on both sides is insane - and the amount of “my side is the victim” being played up is sickening — right now the popular ploy with the Israeli supporters is to state a fact and then attach a biased opinion right after the fact but attempt to pass it off as 100% factual.

    Anyone screaming or ranting that one side is as clean as the driven snow is biased and any opinions should be seriously questioned.
     
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    What about murdering 1,000 peaceful people, raping women, slaughtering babies, kidnapping 200+ people, threatening to execute them on live tv, what about having it in their charter to kill all Jews, what about the outpour of hate on the streets worldwide among Muslims isn't "quite like you believe"? And what does the "the world hasn't forgotten about the Jews" mean?
     
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  4. Nook

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    Right - except that isn’t the reason Israel and Netanyahu raised the quota. The quota was raised because it weakened the position of Abbas in the WestBank. Netanyahu knew and his own officials have said that the best way to prevent a unified Palestinian state was to have Hamas weaken Abbas.

    The amount of propaganda out there on both sides is insane - and the amount of “my side is the victim” being played up is sickening — right now the popular ploy with the Israeli supporters is to state a fact and then attach a biased opinion right after the fact but attempt to pass it off as 100% factual.

    Anyone screaming or ranting that one side is as clean as the driven snow is biased and any opinions should be seriously questioned.
    The religious fanatics in the Middle East are MANY levels above anything the USA or Europe can muster.
     
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    I have met fanatics across all religions. I'm just saying that even amongst middle eastern fanatics, you can't really tell until you've sat down at the dinner table and the conversations make those turns. Prior to that you might think you're with the most hospitable kind group of people.

    Fanatics believe they are good people. The best and most pious. And what I've come to learn is that the people who see themselves as on the moral high ground are usually the most dangerous.
     
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    Let's not forget that in the 80's Israel by its own admission funneled money and support to Hamas to help them destabilize the PLO. They knew how radical Hamas was back then. They knew how much Hamas hated them back then. Yet they still helped them out. To me that is wild.
     
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  7. astros123

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    Let me do you a favor and put you on ignore. There's already too many problems in this world for everyone to deal with. If you don't like the content of someone's post put them on ignore and move on.

    Literally nobody gives a **** what anyone thinks of anyone.
     
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    You're being dramatic. China doesn't have the economy to take over Taiwan anytime soon. They're dealing deflation and a massive real estate crisis. Xi is kissing usa ass and is holding meetings with senators. He isn't doing ****. Their youth unemployment is 22%.

    Ukraine and Russia are at a stalemate and putin has shown he's reasonable. He withdrew from layman and kherson and took a L instead of test firing nukes or whatever. Ukr war will end whenever zelensky realizes he won't win.

    Israel vs Palestinians have been happening forever. Iran isn't going to join in. It's all fear mongering for clicks.

    Theres no US active troops in a combat zone in forever. American troops are safe
     
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    Read an article yesterday that said they have a population of 1.4 billion but they overbuilt so much that they built lodging for 3 billion. They have a ton of problems across multiple sectors. Honestly that might make them more dangerous and unpredictable, but I don’t know.
     
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    It needs to be reported and the evidence plastered everywhere. These are the scum killing your people.



    In line with what @Nook said. This is the closest in my lifetime I’ve felt a word conflict was culminating. Not 9/11, not Iraq , not the gulf war.

    took a hundred years for a large pandemic. We’re in the century window of the great trench battle of WW1 as well. A bunch of tiny dominoes and people forming coalitions.
     
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    Trump is such a narcissistic and prominent figure he takes so much attention. Biden is a walking ghoul nobody fears or respects
     
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    A) mainstream media has already put out the lie.

    B) this isn't about Isreal. Its about their hate of Jews and really everyone not Muslim.
     
  14. Nook

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    What about the fact that over 10 Palestinians have died for every Israeli death since Israel was founded in 48’? What about Israel forcefully removing Palestinians from their homes so that Jews from outside Israel can move into Israel and take those homes and land? What about the fact that Israel occupies the WestBank and virtually all outside humanitarian organizations that enter the region conclude that Palestinians are treated very poorly.

    There is plenty of poor acts by everyone involved, and anyone that paints the dynamics as black and white is being purposely obtuse.

    As far as her contention that the world has forgotten about Jews/Israel - that is absurd. Israel has favored nation status, is given huge amounts of aid, is allowed to buy military software and technology that few nations can. There is plenty of support for Israel. She is so biased and dogmatic that she believes that Israel is justified in doing anything it wants without question - and that isn’t the case for anyone. The Palestinians learned that when their supporters pledged allegiance to Hamas they were routinely criticized by the world and the media.

    This black and white approach taken on this issue is very dangerous because it excuses and justifies any behavior. It is the same excuse used my Germany and Japan in WWII and Stalin in Eastern Europe.
     
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    I've been talking about it here for some time also. Peter zeihan did a great short video on the topic

     
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    The people who say this are so funny. Trump write love letters to Kim Jung and got absolutely nothing in return. Zero concessions. He got nothing in return from putin. He oversaw 200+ dead troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    It's so funny the amount of delusional people have. Trump was a laughing stock around the world. He had lowest approvals worldwide out of any president.

    I don't know why you folks can't just live in reality instead of your braindead points
     
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    Guys I don’t know about this one. I don’t think a rocket could have done that much damage to the hospital. If Hamas had rockets that strong, Israel would be leveled by now after all the rocket attacks. Looks and smells to me like a 2000lb guided JDAM bomb.

    The first casualty of war is the truth. I don’t know what happened but my suspicion would be the bomb that hit the hospital came from the IDF. Too strong to credibly have come from elsewhere. Open to disagreement because I truly don’t know for sure. Sad to see the human carnage. This is a catastrophe all around.
     
  18. MadMax

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    It reminds me of the ascent and fall of the Japanese economy earlier in my life…similar vibe of, “oh they’re about to become the home of the strongest economy in the world…..” and then, poof. Thanks for the video link!
     
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  19. Nook

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    Yeah we will just have to agree to disagree. I’m in a Middle Eastern family and have spent a decent amount of time in the Middle East. The level of fanaticism is well above anything present in the West.

    I understand what you are saying - but the difference in the USA and some parts of the Middle East is that there would never be sitting at the table.

    Does that mean everyone in the Middle East is a fanatic? No, there are actually a decent number of hiding atheists and moderates- but they are at the mercy of the fanatics.
     
  20. astros123

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    There's enough empty apartments to house the chinnese population combined twice..... they have an housing crisis the world hasn't seen yet. The idea they're going invade taiwan is silly. They can't afford the sanctions
     
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