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Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

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  1. FrontRunner

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    Billionaire founder of Victoria's Secret pulls funding from Harvard, accusing the school of 'dismal failure' to take a stand for Israel

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    Dominick Reuter Oct 16, 2023, 4:56 PM EDT

    Les Wexner, the billionaire retailer and founder of Victoria's Secret, is the latest to pull funding from an elite school in the wake of the attacks last week.

    The Wexner Foundation, the Jewish leadership philanthropy founded by the retailer, has severed ties with Harvard, citing the university's response last week to the attacks by Hamas in Israel. The move comes as investors, CEOs, and donors have called on Ivy League schools to be more vocal in standing with Israel and condemning anti-Semitism.

    "Harvard's leaders were indeed tiptoeing, equivocating," said the statement posted on X, signed by Leslie and Abigail Wexner, as well as Wexner Foundation president Rabbi B. Elka Abrahamson and director general for Israel, Ra'anan Avital.

    A foundation representative confirmed the statement's authenticity to Insider.

    "In the absence of this clear moral stand, we have determined that the Harvard Kennedy School and The Wexner Foundation are no longer compatible partners. Our core values and those of Harvard no longer align," the statement said.

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    His core values never seemed to have a problem with Jeffrey Epstein.
     
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  2. LosPollosHermanos

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    I am against the stance taken by certain students at harvard who are at large ignorant, but pulling donations because you don't think it expelled the students or went far enough (harvard already released one from its chancellor stating its stance etc) is moronic. Vivek Raw said it best this week about there being certain morons. Universities are not institutions to take political stances based on its donors because it can turn into a dangerous game.

    I'm sure this dude was just "the bank" for Epstein and didn't partake in his disgusting behavior while lending hundreds of millions.
     
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  3. LosPollosHermanos

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    hmmmm.....and we were just calling this out a couple days ago

    BBC apologizes for saying pro-Palestine demonstrators were ‘backing’ Hamas
    Dominick Mastrangelo
    Mon, October 16, 2023 at 1:47 PM CDT·1 min read
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    The BBC issued an apology for the way it characterized demonstrations supporting Palestinians amid the ongoing conflict between Hamas and Israel.

    “Earlier we reported on some of the pro-Palestinian demonstrations at the weekend,” , the chief presenter at BBC News, wrote in a statement posted on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

    “We spoke about ‘several demonstrations across Britain during which people voiced their backing for Hamas.’ We accept this was poorly phrased and was a misleading description of the demonstrations.”

    The apology was also read on the BBC’s air live Tuesday.

    Since the attack on Israel carried out by Hamas last weekend, news organizations have deployed dozens of journalists to the region to cover the breaking news of the daily shelling and fighting between the two sides.

    Hundreds of Israelis were killed in the initial attack by Hamas militants, who stormed a music festival and border villages. Hundreds of Palestinians, including civilians, have since been killed by intense Israeli retaliatory airstrikes.

    The violence has sparked public demonstrations across the world, some in support of Palestine or Israel, and others calling for peace, as well as controversies over how public institutions like universities respond to the crisis.

    News organizations have also grappled with the complicated dynamics involved in covering the fallout from the violence, and concerns about the bloodshed that lies ahead.

    In an essay last week, a top editor at the BBC defended the outlet’s use of the word “militant” instead of “terrorist” to describe Hamas, which the U.S. government has for years designated as a terrorist organization.
     
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    This is a letter from a student at Harvard to her classmates. Please read.

    Dear classmates,

    since Saturday morning I have been watching in horror how my people have been massacred. Innocent civilians deliberately targeted, tortured, desecrated. October 7th was the deadliest day on Jews since the holocaust.

    And while I have spent the last week from funeral to funeral, without much sleep, helping my traumatized kids and under the constant blow of missiles, I also had to deal with the systematic and merciless attacks on this whatsapp group. Proportionally, Hamas’ terrorist attack was over 10 times 9-11 for Americans, yet very few of our classmates expressed their solidarity. On Oct 7th over 1,300 where murdered and almost 200 (!!!) people-women, children, elderly- taken hostage into Gaza. On the very same day of the massacre, days before Israel retaliated, some peers were already blaming this attack on Israel and openly stating that they have no sympathy for their innocent lives. Shame on you!

    And when one of the classmates openly stated that Israeli simply doesn’t have a right to exist at all, your silence spoke more than a thousand words! You fail to see the very thin line between that statement, to singing “from the river to the sea” (have you thought about what that means?), to ultimately singing “gas the Jews,” as thousands are currently singing on the streets of Sydney and London.

    And the saddest thing is that this is Harvard. We were meant to be better. We were taught to be better. We aspired to create a safe place for colleagues sincerely interested in each other’s perspectives. Yet the most radical voices are the fastest and the loudest to reply, killing any attempt for a real conversation and opportunity to learn from each other. So much of what is being posted here is unsubstantiated propaganda that we often don’t even know how to begin to respond, and the lack of simple curiosity and interest to learn from our perspective simply makes it impossible.

    And those same radical voices failed to realize that ironically, most of the people from the Middle East—those affected directly by the conflict—do manage to have a dialogue, one of real curiosity, mutual respect and willingness to learn from the other. We do this in private, away from this group, which for a very long time has failed to bring any real value or opportunity to learn. Very little questions are posed. Only loud statements without much nuance and blind ears.

    At this point my mental state doesn’t allow me to continue to take this. Not after some have openly declared the lack of simple sympathy for the loss of innocent israeli lives or Israel’s basic right to exist. I truly wanted to stay in this group and stay in touch. But I am afraid this is no longer a safe space for me. I hope to stay in touch with most of you directly. I will always be open for any kind of question or criticism about Israel. But not under this rhetoric and lack of basic humanity.
     
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    There's no universe anyone is going attack Israel with biden on the ground. It's fascinating how much power the office has. Russia didn't even fire a single missle in Ukr while biden was in the country
     
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    Certain people and media are eager to paint all protests as pro-Hamas but it's far from it. The interview from the 7 min mark covers what is concerning to the wider community.

     
  7. LosPollosHermanos

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    Credit where it’s due
     
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    We still have folks on here thinking pro palestine = supporting hamas so it isn't surprising.

    Spreading fake stories about beheaded babies and smearing pro palestine demonstrations. It's quite obvious how bias the Western media has become, no wonder they are able to convince many ignorant Americans like double d to fully support genocide and Israel commiting war crimes.
     
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    I don't have a problem in the big picture of what the student posted, and leaving Whatsapp is probably good for anyone's mental health. So, good for the student, and they write well.

    But... Oct. 7 is naht "over 10 times 9-11 for Americans." Like... not literally (where the death toll is much lower in this case) or figuratively (where we'd never been attacked before, and never seen skyscrapers burn and fall, and watched innocent people leap from the towers to avoid burning in jet fuel, etc.) As a lesson to anyone who cares: When trying to persuade another human, see if you can avoid insulting one of their own primary injuries.

    *the more your know gif*
     
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    This man needs to be tried after. Every Israeli I know hates his ****ing guts


    How Benjamin Netanyahu empowered Hamas ... and broke Israel
    Paul Nuki
    Mon, October 16, 2023 at 2:04 PM CDT

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    Benjamin Netanyahu has largely ignored military provocation from Hamas since the last major Israeli ground incursion of 2014 - Filip Singer/Shutterstock

    There is a reasonable chance Benjamin Netanyahu will be remembered as both Hamas’s nemesis and its enabler.

    Today, and for however long it takes the Israel Defense Force (IDF) to neuter the military wing of the Islamist group in Gaza, the great bulk of the country’s body politic will stand behind its leader. In Gaza at least, Hamas’s capacity to wage jihad will be crushed, together with much of the political and paramilitary infrastructure through which it governs, analysts expect. Although sharply cognisant of the attendant risks, few in the Israeli mainstream believe they have much choice given the terrible events of Oct 7.
     
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    It's simple math, relative to the respective overall size of the population.
     
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    Its funny how clueless right wingers are @AroundTheWorld

    Hamas wouldnt be here today if it wasnt for bibi and Bush.
     
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    This is more than just a massive intelligence failure. How does Hamas seem to have such detailed intelligence on Israel's military?

    The Secrets Hamas Knew About Israel’s Military (NYT)

    ALONG THE ISRAEL-GAZA BORDER — The 10 gunmen from Gaza knew exactly how to find the Israeli intelligence hub — and how to get inside.

    After crossing into Israel, they headed east on five motorcycles, two gunmen on each vehicle, shooting at passing civilian cars as they pressed forward.

    Ten miles later, they veered off the road into a stretch of woodland, dismounting outside an unmanned gate to a military base. They blew open the barrier with a small explosive charge, entered the base and paused to take a group selfie. Then they shot dead an unarmed Israeli soldier dressed in a T-shirt.

    For a moment, the attackers appeared uncertain about where to go next. Then one of them pulled something from his pocket: a color-coded map of the complex.

    Reoriented, they found an unlocked door to a fortified building. Once inside, they entered a room filled with computers — the military intelligence hub. Under a bed in the room, they found two soldiers taking shelter.

    The gunmen shot both dead.

    This sequence was captured on a camera mounted on the head of a gunman who was later killed. The New York Times reviewed the footage, then verified the events by interviewing Israeli officials and checking Israeli military video of the attack.

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    Hamas planning documents, videos of the assault and interviews with security officials show that the group had a surprisingly sophisticated understanding of how the Israeli military operated, where it stationed specific units, and even the time it would take for reinforcements to arrive.

    The Israeli military says that, once the war is over, it will investigate how Hamas managed to breach its defenses so easily.

    But whether the armed forces were careless with their secrets or infiltrated by spies, the revelations have already unnerved officials and analysts who have questioned how the Israeli military — renowned for its intelligence gathering — could have inadvertently revealed so much information about its own operations.
     
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    Point still stands though. Why insult or diminish another's pain while trying to persuade them to sympathy? [rhetorical]
    Learning opportunity for all: let students make that mistake. Don't do it your own lives when you really want to persaude someone.
     
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    Says they are falsely painting protests as pro-Hamas, posts video where they are chanting "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." What is that country that currently exists between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea? The one you would need to eliminate to have a free Palestine from the river to the sea? To make it clearer for you, they also have signs calling for the end of the state of Israel including a handy pictorial representation of the no symbol over the flag of Israel.
     
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    I want to know his opinion on holocaust denial.
     
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    Except Isreal was just attacked? Foot in mouth. As you are a self identifying troll, you could at least not be so obviously ignorant to what you are trolling.
     
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    And btw.. anyone that has a memory that last longer than the time it takes them to **** on a toilet - has to be mind blown about how fast it takes twisters chicken to change rhetoric.
     

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