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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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    The world has been facing, and will increasingly face, what Israel has had to deal with for decades - Islamist hate and terror.

    Europe will have it worst.

    It inevitably comes with allowing more Muslims in, unfortunately.

    Only a small percentage of them will actually turn violent, but support for anti-Jewish and more broadly anti-"infidel" ideology runs very deep in the Muslim mainstream. And a small percentage of 2 billion people is a lot of people.

    I have traveled a lot in my life and have lived in many places. I have spoken to many Muslims one would consider "moderate", and what they say is simply shocking in many cases.

    This doesn't mean I dislike someone simply because they were born into the Muslim faith.

    But this will only get worse. I have told you for years, and have been labeled a "Muslim hater" for it.

    You have seen Bataclan happen, Charlie Hebdo, etc., etc.

    You forget. You call those who warn "Islamophobes". Then it happens again. And it will keep happening.

    Hamas is just one example of it.
     
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    I was adamantly against both the Iraq and Afghanistan war.

    The problem I had was that it wasn't a government that attacked the World Trade Center, it was a terrorist organization.

    My perspective was that IF the USA was going to go into Iraq and remove the government, then the USA needed to stay until a proper government was established and that they were a strong ally of the USA like Germany, Japan and a few other nations after WWII.

    Instead the USA government decided to do just about the worst possible thing in both places.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    The religious leaders needed to wait for a younger generation to get older and they could take advantage of the youth and get them to follow their bullshit.

    This is a war of the minds, same as MAGA is here in the states.....moderates over crazies....

    DD
     
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    "We live for our religion and we die for our religion,”

    We've finally found a point of commonality. We would be glad to help you die for your religion.

    Win-Win all around.
     
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    troops with order to be prepared to deploy wtf.

    Israel is one of the strongest militaries in the entire world capable of fighting its own battles why are we being pulled into a battle that isn't ours. Putting boots on the ground regardless of what the stated intention is ..is moronic.
     
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    US troops prepare for potential deployment to Israel. Holy…?
    Nobody messes with the Zohan.
     
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    This is necessary because of Iran.
     
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    I mean at some point we may have to deal with Iran - and remove their leadership again, we are the reason they have it in the first place, the CIA removed a working functioning democratically elected republic and put in the Shah, and it backfired big time.

    DD
     
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    Yeah. I think the lesson learned should be stop trying to interfere and remove Iranian leaders.
     
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    Was it right to interfere and remove Hitler? Where do you draw the line? What if they launch an attack to try and wipe Israel off the map?
     
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    If they launch an invasion, then their leadership should be removed. Hamas should be removed.

    The best way to do that is to fill the vaccum of Iranian funding and also give meaningful and permanent incentives to the Palestinians to remove Hamas.
     
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    Good point and I agree that a certain flex is intentioned to actually prevent* the escalation of conflict.

    what doesn’t sit well with me is how this has played out exactly as everyone predicted and putins role along side Iran.

    The Iranian leadsership are cowards, they won’t do anything that compromises their ability to run their people. They also have the foresight into one thing. Any war with Iran will be a loss for the US. Two other countries have proven that. The United States could completely dismantle the regime and even then, like we saw in Iraq the consequences can be worse in the vacuum. The alternative to that is declaring war and doing what we did in Afghanistan on steroids by increasing commitment to occupying the region but we’ve also seen $$$ wise that would never play out.

    the situation is complex, and hamas as evil as they are aren’t stupid. They want as many troops involved and to escalate this into a world wide conflict. Because of this, and taking prior history into account when confronting a terrorist organization vs a conventional govt, this is overkill and unnecessary. Israel is capable of wiping Iran out in a blink. They don’t need US help.

    treat this as what it is, an evil organization committed a disgusting act in the face of one of the strongest militaries in the world, dealt with as would be expected.
     
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    Unfortunately, I do not think Israel could defeat Iran without US help.
     
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    They could drop JDAMs on any square inch of Iran they want whenever they want.
     
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    You want to remove their leadership huh?


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    Retired U.S. Army Gen. David Petraeus on Monday cautioned Israel to think about what a post-conflict Gaza will look like, invoking the United States’ “inadequate” post-conflict preparation ahead of its invasion of Iraq 20 years ago.

    “I was a two-star, I remember asking before we went to Baghdad, and I said, ‘You know, excuse me, can we have a little more detail on what happens after we get to Baghdad and topple the regime?’ And they said, ‘You just get us to Baghdad, Dave. We’ll take it from there,’” Petraeus said in an interview on CBS Mornings.

    “We obviously had done inadequate phase four, it’s called, post-conflict,” Petraeus added.
     
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