I don't think Sengun is a starter on a contender and Green, although I think could be, I don't think he will be a #1 option.
I don't think Sengun is a starter on a contender and Green, although I think could be, I don't think he will be a #1 option.
You have to understand, I did a double take and made sure this was a Cam Whitmore thread. It's the first comment on the page and you didn't quote anyone so I have to ask... Why?
Go back and do a triple check, it started gearing towards Green getting a max deal around #281. I was alluding to the fact that neither Green nor Sengun deserves a max contract. I didn't know you originated the thread but if so, you need to start policing around #281.
lol easy him, if I'm going to police anything it's the incorrect use of the word "fact". Every thread got turned into a Sengun thread last year so I guess I should be more used to it. Carry on.
I think you absolutely have to take your bottom line into consideration in this discussion - Tari, Jabari & Sengun. Those three with Amen & Cam is the lineup I'm most interested in seeing this season. You could drop Sengun, move Jabari to the 5 spot and insert Brooks at the 4 and have a nasty defensive team with plenty of offensive options. Amen Cam Tari Jabari Sengun Or Amen Cam Tari Brooks Jabari That said, I don't see a whole lot of minutes for Cam out of the gates unless he's the primary backup to Green because Brooks & Tari are going to eat up most of the minutes at the 3 and some minutes behind Smith at the 4 While Amen is the primary backup to FVV and you have to figure Tate in there somewhere as its clear Udoka likes what he brings (and so do I), the guy can play 1-5. Minutes are going to be hard to come by for a few guys .... this team just has so much talent & depth - It's going to be interesting to see who they keep over the next couple years and who's shipped out.
I think you are right for the most part - Question remains: which max does he get? The regular 25% or the designated rookie max of 30% - he isn't eligible for the supermax of 35%. To this point, I haven't seen enough to give him that 30% figure. Ironically, according to Spotrac the team hasn't picked up his 4th year option yet - they have until 10/31/23 to do so.
We are having a way better bench than last year, so getting minutes will be tough - but he fills a role, that no other player does: he is the scoring plug. Amen, Tari, Tate, Bullock - all of them are pretty good players, but neither of them is necessarily a scorer. Tate, Bullock and Tari will take, what the defense gives them and Amen can score, but he is more of a play starter than finisher by nature. So that's where I think Cam has a good shot at getting some quality minutes this season.
I love Whitmore, but you guys are delusional if you think he's ready to carry an offense. Look at this line up: Sengun Jabari Brooks XXX FVV This lineup is clearly missing a star iso scorer. A great example is the Raptors last season, who had plenty of talent but faced the harsh reality that without an excellent iso scorer you're not going to escape mediocrity. You're not going to win close games without that guy. You can totally win close games if one of your starters is a bad defender who tries really hard. An elite iso scorer has to be able to create points with their first step and handle, be good at finishing in traffic, be good at getting FT's, be good at recognizing double teams and hitting the open man. Cam is 19 years old. You're doing this thing again where someone comes in and surprises us, then we set the expectations real high, then we **** on them for not reaching those expectations. Cam is 19 years, lacking a well rounded game, has to make rookie defensive mistakes this season, looking for open players for the first time. Give the damn kid some time. He's not going to lead a playoff calibre NBA offense in his age 19 rookie season. There have been maybe 5 players in NBA history who were capable of doing that at age 19. Just think for a moment. We definitely have to put Green on the spot this season. We have elite defenders at PG and SF so we don't need our SG to be an All NBA defense player. What we definitely cannot live without though is 25ppg on good efficiency, good at hitting the open man and above average effort on defense. We have to make a decision about maxing Green out or not, so logically you're going to actually give him NBA games to see what he's got. Udoka has worked very closely with him and didn't see Harden as a good fit with Green (i.e. protected Green's shots). He knows what's coming. We're going to have multiple stars on the wing. Let's wait till it actually happens because whether we keep or trade them, it's best to wait for their value to peak as high as possible before you have to make a decision. This is an imaginary problem people are discussing. Both Cam and Green can get plenty of minutes and both of them can shine this season and we don't have to decide on Whitmore in just 1 year and Green can earn the max. Try to enjoy this incredible season we're starting. We have tons of talented young guys and that's giving us lots of options.
Co-signed. …he’s proven he can be a microwave scorer and opponents have to account for him defensively (which I suspect they largely haven’t been so far) but all the “blindly trying to out physical 2-3 defenders while your teammates are open” poor distribution tendencies are really going to have you guys pumping the brakes on the Cam train once defenses get Cam’s name in the scouting report and it’s coming fairly soon. That’s not a criticism of him - that’s just going to be his work to even consider giving him more playing time - he’ll be fine in the long run I think but he has to build better awareness and variability into his game(playing at different paces, etc). He’s probably not going to get the Jalen Green treatment of learning that in the game on 30+ minutes because we have too many dudes now….and honestly I think that’s better for him as most here have turned our Jalen for the crime of refining his game in real time on 30+ minutes because we had little else here to support him until this year.
Yes but there’s diminishing returns there. As you increase a 19 yr olds playing time you are also decreasing the team’s cohesion. He must be making rookie mistakes even at the end of the season, there’s no escaping that no matter how many minutes you give him. You’d be setting him and yourself up for disappointment. Otherwise every team would just give their rookie maximum minutes but the coaches known for developing young players do the opposite. They gradually increase playing time except in the case of a potential all time great like Lebron or something.
Did they ever release specifically what they saw in Cam’s medical history that gave them such concern about his long term health? Does he have abnormal bone structure or scoliosis or something? Or is it just that he had 2 knee (I think) surgeries so early in his career?
No, but according to Jonathan Givony, some teams said cartilage in his knees were a concern after medicals, but that it would probably only present a problem toward the end of his career. Cam himself said he had no idea about any issues with his knees and he feels fine. Something else that caused him to tumble was he apparently also half-assed it during practice and gave bad interviews. That combined with his season at Villanova where some people said he kind of half-assed it there, too, didn't help. Givony said it was a combination of all these things that just ramped up his fall.
That’s right, I heard about the latter stuff. Just hope “later stages” just shortens his post prime years and doesn’t shorten his prime years. Either way, if it’s something you’re concerned about 8+ years from now, I can’t believe teams wouldn’t risk that outside of top 10! Even with the half-assedness. Oh well, their loss. He clearly has a chip on his shoulder now.
