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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Amiga

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    Among Arab states, only Egypt has a border crossing to the Gaza Strip.

    Egypt's public explanation is that Israel is taking advantage of the situation to reclaim the entire Gaza Strip and displace all Palestinians. The closure of that border is likely due to Egypt's limited resources, making it difficult to absorb over 2 million residents. They are also hesitant to manage the criminal elements within that population. I believe a large segment of people in the US understands this well, given their strong feeling toward the situation at the southern border
     
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    Egypt's population is about 110 million people. They have plenty of space.

    Yes, criminal elements within the population. Palestinians cause trouble elsewhere in the world, too, unfortunately.
     
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    Oh, I agree. I'm just sharing their public excuse and what I believe are their real reasons. Egypt's economy has been in a very bad state. Now, here's a thought - could the international community help financially support Palestinians to settle in Egypt? (...silence...)

    While it's not a completely fair comparison, here in the US, we have an abundance of land, more resources, and a much more stable economy. If it were legally possible, we would have already completely closed the southern border. So...
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Israel abandoned the Gaza strip there are no settlements there, And Hamas governs it.

    They basically have what they are asking for, sans the land NAMED theirs.....other than Hamas wanting to destroy Israel, what exactly are the Palastinians wanting?

    Seems they have their own state already - and I understand the 2 state solution is not supported by the majority.

    If they want the historic lands, how far back in history do we go? Maybe we should give the land to the Cananites?

    DD
     
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    That would be a solution that would certainly be better than Hamas and other Islamists using the civilian population of Gaza as pawns.
     
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    Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel and killing of all Jews. And every single one of their actions shows they mean it.

    Anyone who shouts "free Palestine" supports Hamas.
     
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    None of the Arabs and Persians want the Palestinians
    They use them cause they hate Israel

    more like the Pawnestinians

    Everybody knows the Jews aren’t going give up the land . Now, it might go in reverse since land for peace is a joke. They might just get their land back
     
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    None of the Arab states want them, everywhere that has tried to help they lead a revolt and try to overthrow the government.

    I don't know what the solution is, but it doesn't include HAMAS in any way.

    DD
     
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    All the people who claim they love Les Alexander over Tilman want Les and his people dead
     
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    You can hear a missile in that clip, yes. You may notice it is not the same video as the attack at the bridge where the origin was questioned, it is just somewhere in Gaza. No one said Israel is not launching any strikes in Gaza, the question was about attacking civilians trying to evacuate south.
     
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    Sinai is not that heavily populated.
     
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    Both SkyNews and the WSJ - two media outlets that are biased to the right and towards Israel, reported it as Israeli air strikes. The counter to that is some random person on twitter claiming i's an explosive device. Yeah.
     
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    There’s a new buzzword among the Hamas accommodationists and those worried that Israel might defend itself from terror: “Proportionality.” When it comes to warfare, proportionality is bad policy. The victor in any fight is the one who disproportionally harms the enemy more than the enemy harms them. To wit…

    Japan destroyed several US Navy assets in an outlying American territory, then captured a few further-flung territories, brutalizing the populace. America’s disproportionate response starved Japan of food, fuel, and materiel, carpet-bombed its urban cores, dropped two nukes, and killed somewhere between 1 million and 2 million of its people (estimates vary widely). Even then, half the Japanese Imperial Cabinet wanted to fight on. Following Japan’s surrender, we occupied their country, recreated their government in a Western image, imposed a new constitution, and still maintain a military presence nearly 80 years later.

    Germany declared war on the UK, Russia, and the US, and devastated much of Europe. The Allies’ disproportionate response was to lay waste to Germany, flattening cities, towns, and villages; annihilating their economy and social structures; starving the people; and, as in Japan, imposing a new government, business, military, and civic life.

    What are the proponents of proportionality even asking for? Would they praise Israel for breaking into Gaza without warning, taking civilian hostages, beheading babies, and livestreaming it all for laughs and celebrity approval? Would they have praised the UK for the industrial murder of 6 million random Germans? Of course not.

    What would have been a proportional response to 9/11? Kabul didn’t have gleaming skyscrapers to raze or a globally interconnected economy to devastate. If the US had run amok in Kandahar slashing thousands of innocents with box cutters, I don’t see the UN praising us for proportionality.

    Those demanding proportionality from Israel do not want proportionality at all. Instead, they do not want Israel to defend itself. They want Hamas to be the victor.

    Asking for tit-for-tat responses guarantees a forever war.

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.

    https://ricochet.com/1502636/israel-must-reject-calls-for-proportionality/
     
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  19. basso

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    when someone spends all their time in a thread posting items with a particular viewpoint, one can reasonable infer how they feel about the issue at hand. For instance, you could probably make a reasonable assumption about how I feel about the war in Ukraine.

    You've spent an enormous amount of energy in this thread attempting to validate something that has been proven false.

    Thank you for showing us who you really are.
     
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  20. StupidMoniker

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    You can watch the actual video yourself.
     
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