How many people will suffer under the new right wing governments that are being formed all over the world? How many LGBTQ people will have their rights stripped away? How many women will lose their abortion right? How many folks will lose their health care cuz of austerity cuts right wingers are pushing ? Nobody in this thread gives a **** about anyone else.
In Poland the leading canidate is literally running on putting gay people on a list and throwing women who have had abortions in prison. How in the world is that okay but he's leading in every poll cuz of inflation
Well is Russia looking to settle or want a ceasefire? I know that u want to paint a country currently fighting off an invader greedy for money, but withholding aid and letting Russia win and become embolden for future attacks isn't exactly a good strategy. At least to me
i have never said Zelensky is greedy for money. I completely understand his reason for wanting the war to continue. He will never have more support the war than he has now and he is fighting for his country. I get it and i respect him for fighitng for his people. What im concerned about is the collateral damage. Tens of million's of citizens around the world are having their rights stripped away and nobody seems to be concerned about that. Voters will ALWAYS vote for facism in the name of cheap prices. ALWAYS
And if Russia were to succeed in Ukraine and feel empowered to throw their weight around even more how many people do you think will Suffer?
Whats this if russia were to succeed. Their mission was to overthrow the zelensky government and to put in their puppet government. Russia has already failed and lost half of its manpower and wont be able to rebuild their army bcz of the tech export controls we have on the government. Putin has already failed so your question lacks any real merit behind it. Russian army wont be the same for decades and decades. If you add up all the citizens of countries who have recently elected ultra right wing governments the comparison isnt even close. 100x more people are suffering globally bcz of this war and its consequences on its elections than somehow the people in ukraine suffering. Are you paying attention to elections? Some of these countries that are voting for right wingers have literally never had right wing governments in decades and decades.
Putin is largely failing because the US and others are supporting Ukraine. Further if Putin even gets a favorable treaty that could give him More leverage to control Ukraine food shipments and energy production. Your argument is always premised in that as the war goes on prices remain high. There is no guarantee they if the war were to end prices come down. In fact if they end on favorable terms to Russia that gives Putin even more leverage on energy and food prices and Jake up or lower prices as he sees fit.
We've had this discussion a million times. Energy prices are extremely high right now because of refinery margins and us removing Russian output. Disel spreads right now are 6x of what they are normally which plays a huge role in food prices. Disel is used by truckers and others to move commercial goods and when fuel prices are high those costs are passed on to the consumer. You can keep telling yourself that ending the war wont have a impact on prices if that helps you sleep at night but you're just believing in a fairytale to help you sleep. Food and energy prices will literally collapse after the war ends and its not rocket science. Please do some research on elastic vs inelastic goods work. We cant just magically build more refineries overnight. This war is responsible for a 2-3 points of headline CPI and its not even close.
Yes we’ve had this conversation many times and you like to accuse others of believing fairytales why you’ve ignored evidence that Biden can’t actually unilaterally stop the war or even end US support. You ignore the implications of Putin controlling food supply and energy supplies. You basically ignore Very bit led evidence that doesn’t fit your argument and call everyone else as being dumb. I agree with you the war is causing high prices. Note even if the war were to end today it would Still be months before Russian refinery capacity gets integrated back into the global Market. For that matter Russia could still use energy as a weapon to press for more favorable terms. There is no guarantee that war ends and inflationComes down in time For the 2024 election. You’re overwhelmingly focused on one issue and believing that is the panacea to several other problems.
I never called you dumb? When did i call you dumb? Can you link me to the post? Im not "ignoring" the implications of Putin controlling energy prices. The sad reality is Russia does control energy markets heavily and this is the reason why I support going net zero as quickly as possible Allowing dictators like MBS/Putin to control global prices is a very very bad thing for the world and its why we have to transition to EVs ASAP. Again no it would not take months before it goes back online bcz the gas is already hitting the market now! Its being passed along black markets in india and eastern europe! India is literally taking russian gas and selling it back to Europe for a premium while the average citizens are stuck paying a huge permium. Georgia and others are literally laundering Russian gas for $$ while everyone pays extra. India is buying russian gas for 60 bucks and flipping it to Europe at 2x the cost. Its ridiculous https://www.mei.edu/publications/georgia-interconnector-wheres-washington https://www.reuters.com/business/en...kdoor-entry-into-europe-via-india-2023-04-05/
Left wing governments are literally being wiped away left and right and everyone wants to turn a blind eye.. Atleast zelensky can fight for freedom while the rest of the world is under facist rule!
Russia has lost HALF of its heavy equipment which has been visually confirmed. Who knows what the true number is but at MINIMUM it's been half. When zelensky and others try fear mongering about how Russia is somehow going threaten the west its nothing other than pure propoganda. Zelensky doesn't care if fascists win in every country in the world as long as he gets his $$$
Your illiterate and it's showing. You have no idea how extreme some of the policies are of those who have won recently. The polish right is exclusively campaigning on anti Ukraine message nd they literally wanna prison people for not agreeing with them. They want to put gay people on a watch list. The new right wingers in Spain want to cut pension benefits and other entitlements. The right wingers in Argentina want to end all social services. I can go on and on and on. I know you're a libertarian and these are wet dreams of yours but it's not right
the New Zealand elections as referendum on Ukraine! Buddy, even Victor Wembanyama couldn't make that kind of a reach.
Btw every bro here arguing their personal agendas - the major event in Ukraine this week was not, in fact, the New Zealand elections or the price of WTI, but the fact that Russia launched it's own counter-counter offensive on Wednesday and was absolutely obliterated
This argument is based on the thesis that Ukraine is kicking Russia ass so badly it doesn't even need help - in direct opposition to all of your theses that Ukraine is solely being propped up by the American taxpayer. Pick a lane man.
This is my entire point. Offensives are really hard and taking back land from a entrenced enemy is nearly impossible. Ukraine hasn't been able to take back land because modern warfare makes it nearly impossible to kick someone out of a entrenched position. I'm not arguing that Ukraine can't hold its lines and fight back the Russians if they try to attack. That's easy. What's hard is breaking fortified lines in today's combat. Ukraine has taken back less than 50 miles in this counter offensive and that's with them having hundreds of leopards and Strykers.
You did just say I’m in a fairy tale. You’re acknowledging that Putin can control energy prices is so how does essentially handing Putin a victory mean he won’t try to manipulate energy markets even more? Why would he won’t to lower energy prices if it gets him what he wants? absolutely agree on net zero. We’re not there yet. The Indian gas were contracts that India had with Russia. Given that in addition to India Russia has negotiated contracts With other countries during the war it will take awhile to unwind those to reestablish contracts with the rest of the world. Also from what I’ve been hearing Russian infrastructure isn’t in good shape as they’ve been suffering shortages due to sanctions. It will take awhile to repair them so their capacity is back to what it was prewar. Also yes I agree that Rightwing governments are likely benefiting from high inflation. There were many thought that were seeing electoral success prior to the war. Poland and Hungary had very right wing governments elected well before the war and of course Trump won in thr US. In addition issues like Brexit passed. there are many issues affecting global electorates besides just inflation.
