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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. DaDakota

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    They celebrated the attacks - it started these rallies....you can bury your head in the sand and say they are different but they aren't....Hamas must be dealt with harshly, every single member killed if necessary, and that will have unfortunate casualties of civilians.....

    War sucks.

    DD
     
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  2. basso

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    Peaceful Palestinian protests.

     
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  5. StupidMoniker

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    When they chant, "They've got tanks, we've got hang gliders, glory to the resistance fighters", who are they chanting in support of? When they chant "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", what country are they chanting about eliminating? When they chant, "Intifada, intifada." what do they mean by that, something about Israel providing water?
     
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    Freaking England is gone. There were once a British empire if my memory serves me correctly!
     
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  7. hitman1900

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    Why does it have to be all or nothing with some of you? A Palestinian does not mean they are Hamas. There are always gray areas especially in times of war. It's like saying every white person is a white supremacist.
     
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    No inbound missle, looks like a car bomb to me. From watching hypersonic Russian missle hits in Ukraine, even with the fastest of missiles, you always get a frame or two where you can actually see it before it hits.
     
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  10. LosPollosHermanos

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    Dumbest guy here strikes again. Go back to sucking off KPJ and his wife beating antics which by the way —-which you actually did defend——

    If you were to go “hey let’s no suffocate 2 million people for the acts of a terrorist organization (go back to the war and terror and let me know if you actually learned anything) it doesn’t make you pro anythjng other peace.
     
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  11. basso

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    There is no way in hell that guy is cis
    For years Netanyahu has supported Hamas, and Israel has financially supported Hamas. All in an attempt to divide the WestBank and Gaza and prevent Palestinian statehood and to decrease the power of Abbas.

    Netanyahu even said he supported Hamas to prevent a unified Palestinian state.
     
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  13. basso

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  14. Nook

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    Not at war with Gaza? I guess you just believe in apartheid? Cutting off water and food and electricity for 6 days? Have your highest elected official and leader support in the past Hamas because it would keep Palestinians in the WestBank and Gaza from uniting for a Palestinian state?

    Yeah sounds like you aren’t at war with Palestinians …. Also telling 1.3 million Palestinians to leave in 24 hours with no where to go was a nice trick.

    Israel is at war with Palestine and Palestine is at war with Israel.
     
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    From Breaking Defense:
    On Israel’s front line, a grim silence and a military build-up
    The consensus among those interviewed by Breaking Defense is that the time for investigations into Israel's response to the Hamas attack will come later, but the war must be won now.
    By SETH J. FRANTZMAN on October 12, 2023 at 2:15 PM

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    Smoke rises as Israeli artillery units and howitzers stationed in the military zone launch attacks during the sixth day of the clashes in Sderot, Israel on October 12, 2023. (Mustafa Alkharouf/Anadolu via Getty Images)

    SDEROT, Israel — Five days after a massive attack by Hamas led to the killing of 169 soldiers and the murder more than 1,000 civilians, Israel’s security forces have retaken the border region and declared more than 20 communities a closed military zone close to Gaza. But the scars from the attacks are far from healed.

    The country is in a standstill. Masses of flights are cancelled. In many towns the streets are deserted and Jerusalem every night has the still air as if everything has stopped.

    Southern Israel near the Gaza Strip now has the feeling of a ghost town, with most shops closed and few people on the roads. The exception are police and Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) vehicles, and volunteers who are bringing food to the troops and the remaining communities. This is an area that was once made up of pastoral farming communities, called Kibbutzim, many of which were founded in the 1940s and 1950s. Now they are deserted. The residents who weren’t killed or wounded in the first 24 hours of the war evacuated by the government.

    Since Saturday’s assault, Israel has called up 300,000 reservists, many of whom have already arrived at the border. Bases located along some of the roads leading to Sderot, a city near the Gaza border, are overflowing with soldiers arriving in their cars and signing up for duty. In some cases, the cars overflow onto the roads, like a giant parking lot.

    Israel’s President Isaac Herzog visited Sderot on Wednesday, where he met with first responders and police from the city who were involved in some of the first battles with Hamas attackers. In many cases local police were outnumbered, with two dozen killed in firefights here. Herzog said that the “spirit of Israel is strong,” a sense reiterated by police commanders just a few days removed from the fighting.

    The Day Of The Attack

    In interviews with half a dozen soldiers from different infantry units, the story of Oct. 7 largely follows the same pattern. They were awakened by sirens or alerts on their phones. They rushed to their units, because many were at home for a local holiday. They had to travel to the areas around the Gaza Strip and went into action piecemeal, without a fully coordinated effort.

    That chaos was a feature, not a bug, of Hamas’s attack. The terrorists targeted military facilities early on, blinding Israel’s high-tech sensors through drone attacks, killing key Israeli commanders and overrunning local headquarters. When special forces quick reaction units arrived, they were often outnumbered by the attackers. It took time to control various sectors, with fighting still raging 40 hours after the initial assault. Meanwhile the mass killing of civilians continued.

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    A tank drives on a road usually used for civilian traffic, south of Ashkelon, Israel on day two of Israel’s war with Hamas. (Seth Frantzman/Breaking Defense.)

    Israel had trained for these scenarios, yet there is a sense that much went wrong with the response. The consensus among those interviewed by Breaking Defense is that the time for investigations will come later, but the war must be won now.

    Israel is largely following the same playbook as past conflicts with Hamas — try to isolate Gaza and conduct widespread strikes. But the tenor of this conflict is different, with Israeli officials pledging to wipe Hamas out for good and a strict blockade that Defense Minister Yoav Gallant has described as “no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel.” The blockade has drawn condemnation from international aid groups, as has a relentless bombing campaign by Israel targeting Gaza that has reportedly killed over 1,000 Palestinians. But it’s clear much of the Israeli population and its political leadership have little sympathy after this weekend’s events.

    Never in the Israel’s history have 1,000 civilians been killed on one day, with horrific reporting of massacres of civilians. Some have compared it to 9/11 for Americans, but the per-capita death rate means so many more people in Israel know someone who was killed. The situation is even worse for those families of those taken hostage, estimated to be about 100, whom Hamas has threatened to publicly execute.

    The question hanging over everything is if — or it seems more likely, when — a full-on ground assault into Gaza will take place. That would mark a decidedly different tact for Israel, which has largely relied on its strategy of a fast war of “momentum,” where technology is pushed to the front and units are more efficient and precise in their fires. But with major questions being asked about whether that strategy failed during the attacks, a more traditional ground conflict seems likely.

    In conversations with soldiers from numerous units, there is a sense of confidence that Israel will win this conflict against Hamas. But whether life can ever return to normal — for residents on either side of the border — seems very much an open question.

    https://breakingdefense.com/2023/10/on-israels-front-line-a-grim-silence-and-a-military-build-up/
     
  16. basso

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    True then, true now.
     

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  17. LosPollosHermanos

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    Yes they were. And children dying right now aren’t worth any less. I agree that it isn’t deliberate civilian attacks like hammas scum, but children are dying nonetheless.

    protesting that is not pro hammas. It’s just as easy to categorize it as you being genocidal towards Arabs which I don’t believe to be true. For the record I don’t blame Israel for the invasion and a response is within the realms of reality
     
  18. LosPollosHermanos

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    He is an evil man, anybody that supports him is a r****d. Israeli people had him tried
     
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  19. basso

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    Most water in Gaza comes from desalination plants. Only 11% comes from Israel.

    why should Israel supply power to those who attack it?
     
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    Cis doesn't mean straight.

    Doesn't matter. Hamas needs to be eradicated.
     

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