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[ClutchFans] Heavy investment in Kevin Porter Jr raises serious questions about Rockets front office

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Sep 20, 2023.

  1. YOLO

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    lol you do realize this is Clutch's thread and it definitely deserves to be pinned. His threads are much more important than most of the other random threads that litter this board

    what's the distraction? If you don't like the thread, you don't have to open it. Nobody is forcing you to click on it
     
  2. mikol13

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    I’m not really a fan to be honest. I get a holier that thou vibe and it rubs me the wrong way.
     
  3. fattz

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    I think Porter had a purpose and he fulfilled it. Silas was never in on the tank and neither was Porter. Stone played both of these people like puppets. OR Stone is the luckiest man alive. Stone is still employed so I think it was all orchestrated.

    Stone placed himself in a win / win situation. He knew Porter was mentally ill. Stone also knew if Porter did well then he was the one that gave him the opportunity. BUT also Stone knew that the Porter project failed he would benefit from higher draft picks. I also think Stone took into consideration the collateral damage of the failure project because damage control took less than an off season.
     
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  4. tinman

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    Yeah newbs are newbs

    Clutchfans is Arakis
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  5. topfive

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    Or it could be that sometime after the Silas hiring, Stone realized the guy was in over his head and needed help.

    Alternately, it's not hard to imagine Ferntits getting in Stone's ear, "You hired the damn guy, get your ass out there and show him how a coach should behave."

    WTF knows, but this much is certain: A coach with a backbone wouldn't have allowed the GM to show up and start working with players during a practice.
     
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  6. roslolian

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    Regardless how much he invested in KPJ I still love Stone and it's pretty clear his investment in other young players are paying dividends.
     
  7. prs325

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    The Silas-Porter era will unfortunately be remembered as the worst, or one of the worst periods in Rockets franchise history in so many different levels
     
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  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    No one will care, if the team starts winning.

    it will all be seen as a necessary evil to get to winning.

    Which BTW does not invalidate anything written in the article, I think Stone should still be held accountable for how much he put into KPJ, I just think he will be able to get away with it if his players pan out.

    DD
     
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  9. clos4life

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    I sure was glad not to see KPJ out there stinking it up with his bad attitude and selfish play with low efficiency and the random flash-in-a-pan moment.
     
  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I am glad he is gone, now....but I loved his talent, and still think if he could have gotten under Ime he would have blossomed, now we will never know.

    DD
     
  11. Easy

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    Only those who want to defend the FO decisions and those who don't want to admit how wrong they were about KPJ would say it's a NECESSARY evil. It is really the opposite--very unnecessary even for tanking.

    Funny how you and others would paint it as a successful tanking tactic when you guys were rooting and hoping KPJ would be much better than he was. You can't have it both ways. Did you want him to do well to ruin the tank or did you really thought him being bad was good? Make up your mind.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    I think he was way above average and developing fine on the court - and was worth the risk trying to see if he could mature.

    Unfortunately, off the court was a bigger problem than I realized....and now he has to go.

    As for the other part of the conversation, it has nothing to do with what anyone thought, it is a projection of what I think will be the end result, that he won't be remembered by many other than those holding a grudge, most people will move on and he will be a footnote in the history of the Rockets, much like Royce White, or Terrance Williams.....or hell John Lucas and his cocaine habit......

    People tend to forget painful things and just remember the good, so if the team starts winning no one is going to be talking about....."Hey remember when KPJ sucked?"......I mean who wants to wallow in that crap?

    DD
     
  13. topfive

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    Yeah, well, the 3-year won-loss record pretty much guarantees that.
     
  14. YOLO

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    Christian Wood definitely needs to be included in this. He got the biggest contract of his career here. he'll never see that type of deal again
     
  15. roslolian

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    Nobody really cares it's all in the past. Rox tanked to get Hakeem as well and nobody cares about that.
     
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  16. DaDakota

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    Ding ding ding.

    DD
     
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  17. SamFisher

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    Wow really?

    The Rockets have made tons of mistakes in their rebuild that were seemingly mistakes at the time they were made

    First, the Rockets thought they were somehow going to " reload on the fly" with the Wall-Oladipo-Wood lineup and brought in Silas to coach what was supposed to be a veteran squad. Instead that plan was hastily abandoned in midseason after (thankfully) Oladipo rejected the Rockets (Stone) offer to become the standard bearer - thank god!


    Then they pivot to KPJ as future franchise player - there are mistakes too numerous to mention here that are the subject of the article that this thread is about - that stuff alone is worth getting rid of the driving force behind it all IMO, because it has major reverberations for everyone (other players, coaches,mandated playing time etc) - and this was all obvious at the time and not just after the fact


    The results speak for themselves - the Rockets became a running joke around the league for doing this (meanwhile behind the scenes KPJ behavior is even worse than we know - so Stone signs him to an extension)

    Finally I know the draft is a crapshoot, but it frankly hasn't worked out for the Rockets as much as people here think it did. Of our tanking compatriots in the early 2020s (Orlando, Detroit, OKC) - Orlando and OKC have simply drafted better players than the Rockets at the top of the draft than the Rockets, despite having lower picks, and are further along in their respective rebuilds.

    There's other silly issues here you can quibble with, like holding on to Gordon too long bc it would be "too many draft picks" and then getting an extra one anyway (and then having to pay to make him (TyTy) go away). Holding onto and resigning Tate because he's a hard worker and a good story seems questionable as of now

    None of these paths is evident of particularly brilliant decisionmaking and it's not just with hindsight bias. Maybe the Rockets were doomed to be laughingstock regardless.

    But it is what it is. Questionable decisions that have largely not worked out, with very modest successes being overshadowed by a franchise that had become so embarrassing that they had to make Ime Udoka - himself a victim of recent high profile embarrassment and recently out of the timeout chair - the new franchise ambassador.

    It's been bad.
     
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  18. Pistol Pete

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    They tanked to get Sampson who was hailed as the next Jabar level center but carry on.
     
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  19. DaDakota

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    One more failure was Stone's "We are gonna speed up the development process" that failed.

    DD
     
  20. roslolian

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    Three years for a rebuild is fast AF.
     

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