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Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Oct 6, 2023.

  1. subtomic

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    What means do the people have to stand up?

    Elections? There hasn’t been one since 2006.

    Protests? Hamas dispels all protests with violence.

    Appeal to outside forces for intervention? Yeah, that just isn’t going to happen.

    Everything you said assumes a set of circumstances that don’t exist for the Palestinian people in any way, shape or form.
     
  2. Hemingway

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    The best way to do it, is to irradicate the IRG, the Iranian leaders and cut off all access to the Iranian underground nuclear facilities. Blockade anyone delivering uranium to the clerics and destroy their sea ports. Then tell Syria if they fill in the void they are next. Hamas buys off the Palestinians with support from Iran. The Israelis should give the Gaza citizens a week to vacate before marching in. The Us needs to cut off the head of the snake.
     
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    All of this was true for Germans during the Nazi regime as well.

    That doesn't mean that one should not have fought Germany during the Nazi regime.

    The Nazis had to be eradicated, like Hamas needs to be eradicated.

    In the end, it was better for Germany that way as well.
     
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    Working to stop funding from those nations would be a huge help. An alliance of other nations would need to fill the vacuum to help ensure Syria doesn't.
     
  5. Invisible Fan

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    I've seen various interviews of former knesset members faulting netanyahu for this debacle. Ofc they don't absolve Hamas in any way. Rant starts at 8:00

     
  6. Kim

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    In the context of the Harvard disagreements, I think held accountable would mean condemn, rebuke, but anything less than doxing or calling for jobs blacklisting.

    I understand your slavery analogy. I can run with that. I don't think it's exactly the same, but let's go with it. If that's the case, then Hamas is pulling a John Brown. His cause was just, but his actions ultimately lead to him being executed by the US government because process matters. You can't just go around doing terrorism crap because your side is oppressed and not expect consequences from those in power. Israel is definitely guilty of oppression, but Hamas cannot escape justice for their actions. I understand that there is not great solution to address those issues.
     
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    I analogy is not accurate because I think Hamas doesn't have altruistic intentions like a John Brown. John Brown probably didn't rape white civilian because of slavery. I'm more referring to the few stories of actual slave revolts where some escaped slaves did some stuff as bad as raping and murdering houses they raided. Obviously amongst a population of hundreds of thousands of slaves, there are going to be some capable of something so horrific.

    I understand that in a non-normative view that Israel has to do attack Hamas. I understand that is something that is inevitable and that any same nation state in the same situation would also strike back. Just like I understood that the state had to punish John Brown and Ant other government system would do the same.
     
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  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    You are saying they can't work with Israel behind the scenes to root out Hamas? That they are unable to organize a resistance against their own government? Or that Israel would not welcome that?

    I dunno, seems like they would have support from a lot of places if they wanted to kill off Hamas.

    DD
     
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    Agreed. Nothing will work in the Middle East as long as Iran’s is allowed to continue their terrorist ways. Ridding the world of their evil empire will allow a peace process to move forward. There is no way to move peace forward as long as the current Iranian government exists.
     
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    DD you should burn some calories go to Israel/West Bank and tell the PLO this. They need to know.
     
  11. astros123

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    Going to war with Iran who exports 3 million barrels a day is the quickest way to 150+ dollar oil and 7 dollar gas. Lay off the crack pipe. We don't need a global depression.
     
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    Iran doesn't have to be eliminated but ending their funding is needed.
     
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    According to posters in this forum you are a hamas supporter if you claim Palestinians don't love hamas.

    People get so emotional

    Their "funding" is the only thing keeping oil under 130 dollars . Until the ukr ends we can't do anything to Iranian oil unless you want trump back in office
     
  15. DaDakota

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    I am going to continue to post truth here, and **** YOU for making it personal.

    Of course everyone knows that the Palastianians are not HAMAS, but they are also sending their kids to schools that teach their kids to hate Jewish people - I mean, this is hardly an ideal situation here.

    DD
     
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    Typical pro israel behavior accusing anyone that calls out Israel commiting war crimes pro hamas. Probably believe anyone that supports the free palestine cause pro hamas supporters also. Everybody has to fully support everything Israel does or they are pro hamas, what an outrageous stance.

    I agree that hamas needs to b eradicated but I do not agree with Israel decision to bomb Gaza without actual intel killing innocent palestine lives and hostages. All innocent lives fking matter in this conflict, the moment people choose to not give any fks about innocent palestine lives, they honestly aren't behaving any better than hamas who could give any fks about Israel lives.

    At least biden is now pleading with Israel to give more time for the palestines to escape because 24 hours is not enough. He must b pro hamas in your eyes.
     
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    ....for science reasons
     
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    Germany was partitioned and occupied for years after the war. Then the US pumped massive amounts of aid to rebuild West Germany and integrate it with Europe and the global economy. Even following the Oslo accords the Palestinians weren't given the chance to build an economy and a state.
     

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