I'm saying there is a difference between choosing now to call out Israel's military response, which is appropriate and necessary right now. And choosing this time to address the past and ongoing injustices and prejudice, which is pointless, insensitive and comes off as justifying the terrorist attack of Hamas.
The problem is that Hamas are all suicidal psychopaths with no moral constraints, and they use their opponents' own moral constraints as a weapon against them. Hamas will gladly torture/rape/mutilate/kidnap women, children, the elderly. They use these same groups as human shields to force Israelis to kill innocent civilians as a matter of self defense. It is hard to find a historical equivalent level of evil that compares to today's Muslim jihadists. Not even Nazi's or WWII Japanese were this depraved and cruel.
I agree. That is what we've already seen. I'm just saying it's poor policy and doesn't help Israel become safer. It doesn't help Israelis live in peace, but in some minimal way it sates the base instinct people have for revenge. Sadly, too many give in and support that base instinct,
I don't think it's pointless to understand Hamas' most efficient recruitment tactic: weaponizing the trauma and PTSD of Palestians experiencing the IDF. Because if the issue is "how to stop Hamas" that aspect needs to be discussed as understanding how the problem is caused is the first step to problem solving.
@FranchiseBlade https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...lysis were conducted.-,Results,from 6% to 70%. You don't think this is a important aspect of the discussion here to understand Hamas?
Hamas is not motivated by how they are treated by Israelis. They just want to kill every Jew on the planet. That's it.
EU warns TikTok over 'illegal content and disinformation' (techxplore.com) OCTOBER 12, 2023 The EU's top tech enforcer, Commissioner Thierry Breton, warned TikTok on Thursday over "illegal content and disinformation" on its platform, following the bloody attack by Hamas in Israel. The alert, and a demand that Chinese-owned TikTok respond within 24 hours with details on how it is curbing online disinformation, mirrored similar warnings Breton issued this week to X, formerly Twitter, and Facebook parent Meta. "Given that your platform is extensively used by children and teenagers, you have a particular obligation to protect them from violent content depicting hostage taking and other graphic videos which are reportedly widely circulating on your platform, without appropriate safeguards," Breton said in a letter to TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew. Breton stressed that TikTok and other large online platforms were subject to the EU's new Digital Services Act (DSA), legislation that came in two months ago that requires them to crack down on content deemed illegal under EU law or laws of individual EU countries. Violations of the DSA can be met with mandatory remedial measures to halt such content, or fines that could go up to six percent of a company's global turnover, or potentially even steps to ban the platform from Europe. As with his letters to X owner Elon Musk and Meta boss Mark Zuckerberg, Breton told Chew his request was urgent and required a response "within the next 24 hours". The full text of the letter was posted on Breton's account on X, and a new one he opened this week on X rival Bluesky. According to the respected online verification, investigation and debunking website Bellingcat, misinformation and disinformation related to Hamas's attack in Israel last weekend has surged. It documented examples of false or misleading videos being posted on X, TikTok and other platforms. It found several such videos on the social media network, Telegram, which is not yet subject to the DSA but will be when smaller platforms get caught in its net from February. EU to investigate Musk's X for potential Hamas-Israel conflict disinfo (techxplore.com) OCTOBER 12, 2023 The European Commission said Thursday it is opening an investigation into Elon Musk's social media platform X, formerly Twitter, to determine if it has allowed the spread of disinformation about the conflict in the Middle East. The Commission said it had sent a formal request for information to X in what is a first procedure launched under Brussels' new European Digital Services Act (DSA). It comes two days after it fired off a warning letter from internal market Commissioner Thierry Breton. In a statement, the Commission said it was responding to "indications received concerning the presumed transmission of illicit content." Its demand for clarification comprises a 40-page document with a raft of specific questions. Twitter has until October 18 to respond, with a deadline of October 31 for less urgent aspects of the demand for information. Breton, the Commission's self-styled "digital enforcer," told AFP that Thursday's move is about "protecting our citizens and democracies in offering users a safe environment and reliable sources of information—including in times of crisis." X has defended itself against earlier claims from the European Union that it is failing to tackle disinformation around the Gaza-Israel conflict as Brussels investigates. The firm's CEO Linda Yaccarino wrote that the platform, formerly Twitter, had "taken action to remove or label tens of thousands of pieces of content" and removed hundreds of accounts linked to Gaza militant organization Hamas, which attacked Israel on Saturday. She addressed the letter, dated Wednesday, to Breton, who traded barbs with Musk on social media after accusing the platform of allowing "violent and terrorist content" to circulate. Breton has sent similar letters of alarm to Mark Zuckerberg, boss of Facebook parent Meta, and on Thursday to TikTok and its CEO Shou Zi Chew. In each case, Breton gave the platforms 24 hours to get back to him with details of what they are doing to crack down on "illegal content and disinformation" reportedly circulating in posts. Breton stressed that the large online platforms are now subject to the EU's Digital Services Act (DSA), legislation that came in two months ago that requires them to crack down on content deemed illegal under EU law or laws of individual EU countries. Violations of the DSA can be met with mandatory remedial measures to halt such content, or fines that could go up to six percent of a company's global turnover, or potentially even steps to ban offending platforms from Europe. Breton posted copies of each of his letters to his accounts on X and on an X rival called Bluesky. X is especially fixed in Brussels' crosshairs because Musk, who bought Twitter for $44 billion last year, has gutted its staff, including content moderators, in a bid to save money.
I think stupid people believe in such things as inherent evil. Hamas' is compromised full of young males who've lived significantly shorter lives than your privileged ass can ever imagine. And accounting for PTSD and understanding it's effects is a good place to start to understand "Hamas".
This is false. Jihadis are typically not destitute or traumatized. They are often well-educated and middle class. They aren't acting out of desperation or maltreatment. They just want to kill all the Jews.
I'm sure you've read news reports of an educated engineer jihadist making a bomb. It's news worthy because again its an educated dude. The leaders are islamiclly educated in Islamic school and are well off but the base recruiting of jihadist organizations are lost boys looking for a sense of purpose. You process zero intellectual curiosity on this subject and any information you come across is purely you trying to find something to support your tribe rather than a sincere understanding. Again, your world views require "inherent evil". You live a in a fairy tale book where there is inherent good vs evil.
@Commodore What's funny is you using terns like Nazis because you see inherent evil, but even I can do basic empathy exercises and understand the motivations of small business owners in Weimar Republic voting for the Nazi party because they were like "at least they aren't commies". It's something I see you doing if you were in the same situation and era. Doesn't make you inherently evil. It's just people shaped by propaganda and their personal experiences.
I think actually stopping Hamas as a larger and substantially more important long term aspect to be addressed. Going into why they exist and all of that is important to dive into. That's one of the reasons people shouldn't do that now, because it will get nowhere. Priority one - Securing Israel from Hamas by removing their capabilities. The issue to be addressed is how to do that while minimizing civilian deaths on the Palestinian side. Any actions related to that such as using chemical agents, indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas, should be addressed now, and diplomacy to address that is appropriate immediately. Future priorities would include making a Palestinian homeland, and Israel more secure, by dealing with injustices, disparities conditions, etc. If you want Hamas and the unjust treatment of the Palestinians to be dealt with, then yelling about it while Israelis are still bleeding out from the terrorist attacks of Hamas isn't going to help. It will hurt. It is what people will remember when it is time for addressing the serious issues. By all means, negotiators should take notes and prepare to address the issues of why Hamas has been able to do what they do and gain whatever support they have. Bring that up at the appropriate most effective time.
Property one is to create more Hamas recruits. At least that is the way Israel is acting. Hence why Im telling analyzing how Hamas weaponizes PTSD is very relevant to now and the bombing of Gaza. I'm telling you the tactic thar Bibi has engaged with is great Hamas recruitment material.
Oh I agree that it will cause more hatred and therefore retaliation down the road. You can’t do nothing but anything you do will bring on more hate. My thoughts were from the standpoint of if my family lived in Gaza what would I do. Not only thinking of my survival but what’s best in the super long term. I won’t be better off - just alive. But maybe my children or their children will be better off somewhere else. Gaza is going to be a rough life for the current and future generations. Initially I was just thinking of options to stay or leave but really I can think of 3. You can either: 1) Stay in the war zone and try and survive 2) Leave and return to destruction and maybe the old Gaza life - assuming Israel turns it back over afterwards but idk after this if they would put that on the table. 3) Leave and start over somewhere else I’m saying if it was me, I’d choose option 3. Finding that place won’t be easy but I think it’s better than the other 2 options.
I know what you’re saying but think about it. Did they go after people with guns? No. They killed as many as they could, kidnapped as many as they could and then ran and hid back home. chickensh!ts is what they are.
