More like you don't go to your neighbor's house who's son was murdered and wife was kidnapped by someone across the street, then and stop him from trying to blow up everyone's house on that other side of the block. He gave them 3 minutes to evacuate and while he doesn't know which person did it, he figures if he blows up all their houses he might catch some of the culprits hiding in basements. If some of people die in those houses, so be it. He has a right for justice, and if you try to complain about what he is doing, then you are his enemy too.
Fill the tunnels up with ocean water. Or if that's too much work, fill the entrance/exits with cement. Or maybe a combination of both.
That's two different things. That is calling out Israel for their response to this act, which is appropriate now. But listing the grievances from before and not directly related to that response isn't the same. All issues need to be addressed and corrected, but not at the same time, and certainly not if you want the previous ones to actually be fixed or at least improved.
The usual pro israel people tactics. Most of these folks are just sheep that follows die hard religious folks for fear of being called out. Take LeYuan for example man has no knowledge of the Israeli-arab conflict, it's better to just follow the popular side and just disregard the other side that's also suffering loss of life. If you don't agree or find it wrong with how Israel is actively commiting war crimes onto the innocent palestine people, you are accused of being anti Semitic, Muslim or a hamas supporter. Example: Israel should stop bombing random targets which are destroying palestine way of life and killing many innocent people including kids. Atw and other pro israel people: look at all these antisemitic people on this board. The world is ignorantly brain washed by the media that most of your interaction with pro israel folks will b dem thinking that anybody that denouce israel use of excessive violence or pity for innocent Palestine folks dying the bad guy.
Sadly, this is probably where the hostages are being held (if still alive). But unfortunately, it will likely be impossible to extract them alive anyway.
Also the bottom of attaching the concept of "Jewish people" to only Israel also advanced the type of anti-semtisim that ostracizes Jewish people who are citizens of other countries. Many people don't see Jews as citizens of their country. They are an entity that doesn't have allegence to their country but Israel. You see a lot of that type of anti-semtisim. In fact it was the most common type of anti-semtisim in Europe before Nazi Germany... People in their respective European countries not accepting the Jewish population as part of their country.
Israel shall do everything that is required to eliminate the threat to them from Hamas. If Hamas is using Palestinian civilians as human shields, that is 100 % on Hamas.
I'm certainly no expert in special forces or hostage rescue but I have a hardtime believing those hostages aren't as good as dead. I suspect many more will die trying to rescue them.
Hostages are going to die either way - in addition to the soldiers trying to rescue them. Unfortunately. I think few innocent people will die by not sending soldiers into tight and unfamiliar positions that are most likely booby trapped.
Egypt will reject any Israeli scheme to resettle Gazans in Sinai: Security sources - Foreign Affairs - Egypt - Ahram Online Egyptian security sources have warned of the resurgence of a frequently proposed Israeli scheme to resettle Gazans in Sinai, stressing that Egypt will reject such “historically and politically corrupt” proposals. In statements to local media on Tuesday, the Egyptian sources warned of current plans by “some parties and forces” to forcibly displace Palestinians from their land. Such plans aim to “give [Gazans] the choice between death under Israeli bombardment or displacement outside their lands,” the sources added. “Some parties and forces serve the occupation's plan and pave the way for it, using justifications to legitimize historically and politically corrupt arguments,” the sources stressed. The sources warned of the repercussions of the ongoing Hamas-Israeli crisis on the struggle for Palestinians’ rights, stressing that both Egyptians and Palestinians reject the Israeli scheme to resettle Gazans. “Egypt did and will confront this [scheme], which has also been unanimously rejected by the Palestinian people that cling to their rights and land,” the sources added. Israel to Gazans: ‘Leave now’ The Egyptian warnings come shortly after Reuters quoted an Israeli military spokesman advising Palestinians fleeing Israeli air strikes in Gaza to head to Egypt. “Anyone who can get out, I would advise them to get out,” said Richard Hecht, chief military spokesperson. However, his office revised the call shortly afterward, saying in a statement that the Rafah crossing on the Sinai-Gaza border, which was open Monday, is now closed. On Monday, Reuters quoted Egyptian security sources and a witness as saying that operations at the Rafah crossing were disrupted following an Israeli strike nearby on the Gaza side. Israel has announced a "state of war" in retaliation for surprise attacks launched by Hamas fighters on Saturday, killing around 1,000 Israelis so far and taking dozens more captive. On Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told people in Gaza, which shares a border with Egypt, to “leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere.” Subsequently, Israel sealed Gaza of food, fuel, and essential supplies and launched heavy air strikes, the deadliest on the strip in 15 years. Since the start of the fighting, Egypt has intensified contacts with world leaders as well as Palestinian and Israeli sides to end the escalation and protect Israeli and Palestinian civilians’ lives. Egypt has warned of the impact of such fighting on the humanitarian situation in the Palestinian lands as well as on the stability and security of the region. Cairo has also blamed the current and previous escalations on the absence of a horizon for a fair and comprehensive settlement of the Palestinian cause through the two-state solution and the establishment of an independent Palestinian state on the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital.
Well I've already been called Anti-Semitic and "not caring about Jewish lives" by someone I've known for years for saying that what Hamas did was despicable and an attrocity and also that both Israel and Palestinians deserve to live in peace, that Israel has had a policy of collective punishment and that there is no military solution to this. I fully understand Israelis, Jewish people and those with ties to Israel are very angy and rightfully so. Words like "barbarism" and "Medieval" aren't strong enough to describe what Hamas did. Ignoring though that these actions aren't without historic context just means that they will happen again and again. As is I don't see a good solution and I have no answers. Israel will pound Gaza and will kill many Palestinians. Hamas will dig down deep and even if the leadership of Hamas is destroyed others will take their place and a few years from now we this will happen again.
It’s war. It’s never pretty. Staying has huge risks. Leaving isn’t great either. Most likely there won’t be any thing to return to when it’s over. There isn’t a good solution for the situation but if it were me and my family, I’d have to try and go somewhere safer. Life in Gaza is never going to be good for a family and it’s going to get a whole lot worse before it even gets close to getting better. Sucks and I get it but it’s the lesser of two evils IMO.
Again, I'm in favor of calling out their military response. I'm also against their policies and have been for a long time. But addressing those issues at this time would fall on deaf years.
I don't think the goal is really to save the hostages, if that was the case, why bomb Gaza so heavily knowing you could be killing hostages as well? So yes, those hostages - many will die, likely during any rescue or other military operations. They have a lot of value for Hamas given 1 hostage was about to free 1,000 Palestinian prisoners. So the equation right now is 1 Israeli life is worth quite a bit. If they have 200, they will use it to get something in return. Israel does not seem interested in playing this game, and has to calculate that the only other option is to send in troops and rescue what they can, while the rest will be an acceptable loss versus going through a negotiation process. Worst case scenario: Israel will raze northern Gaza and make sure there is nothing for Gazans to return to. Essentially shrinking Gaza in half. They know right now they have global support to a degree they won't have it again, and from a purely tactical standpoint, they have to realize this is their best opportunity to conquer a big chunk of Gaza and annex it. Northern Gaza will be cleared of Palestinians as Israel's position will be that anyone who does not evacuate is Hamas and therefore an enemy combatant. It's unlikely other Arab countries will be drawn into a wider war with Israel and I think the world will stay relatively silent on what is about to potentially happen in Gaza.
At this time Palestians civilians are dying. So it's a good time to address it. If you are saying nothing can contain the blood lust of Israel right now and that it would fall on deaf ears because of the irrational blood lust, then ya I guess.
Not even lesser of two evils. The death of innocent civilians brought on these attacks. The death of innocent Palestinians will only further water the seeds of retribution on the Palestinian end, and they deserve to be upset. So simply pounding and bombing isn't helpful to Israel. It's poor policy.
But the logic in much of the Western (and eastern) world will be - look, they murdered Israeli civilians, and now they will have to face the consequences (e.g. the murder of many Palestinian civilians). The skew is high - there are already people who view the Palestinian flag as the same as Hamas - as a flag of hate and not of a people.
