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Are Marvel movies dead?

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  1. daywalker02

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    Maybe that is why it was called....Endgame.
     
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  2. Ziggy

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    It's kind of what the comics are/were. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad. Some writers/teams are good. Others not good. Stretches of greatness. Stretches of trash. Talent comes. Talent goes. Titles come, titles go. Good franchises expand with more books to capitalize on momentum. Those books often get canceled.

    Old fans go. New fans emerge. Old fans return (sometimes they don't).

    Both are a blend of action movie x soap opera if you think about it. Soap operas drag on for like.... 10, 20, 30 years and appeal to new sets of eyeballs during that timespan.

    Anyways. GOOD LUCK.
     
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  3. VanityHalfBlack

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    No cause Disney owns it. Forever
     
  4. Dr of Dunk

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    On a side note, with interest rates going up and the comic book boom/craze of 2020-2022 ending, just like stocks, comic book prices have completely tanked (well, for mostly Silver Age and later - Golden Age is still having a field day due to rarity, probably). Just like the bandwagon of people that caused prices to spike on speculation of stocks, this seemed to also happen with comic books and comic book movie speculation. Nowadays, most movie announcements don't cause much of a spike, if any, in those modern comics, although there are exceptions. This is probably due to the economic climate, job loss/insecurity, and a more nonchalant attitude towards the movies.

    I got back into collecting comics a few years ago, but gave up on modern comics quickly even though the cover art, which is really 98% of why I collect, was pretty awesome (thank you computers). It reminded me too much of the saturation of the market with #1's, re-boots, etc. of the 90's which caused me to stop collecting. Now you had kids and adults alike paying $35-$50 to slab modern comic books for a speculative profit. What they didn't account for was when everybody and their mother tries dumping those comics on the market at once, those prices tank, so now the cost slabbing/grading those comics was more than what they actually sell for.

    All that to say, what's happening in comic books/movies is similar to what's happening in stocks, cars, and other collectibles. A lot of money was floating around for people to speculate with that caused prices on them to spike as they traded those items amongst one another. The price speculation and spikes invited more people to join in the frenzy causing prices to go up even more. Now that times are harder, people are dumping stuff onto the market at once causing prices and interest to fall.
     
  5. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Comic Collecting - They need to make it more like card collecting ( Gambling ) to make it profitable for the potential investor. There's no gambling aspect to it. So the investments are relatively stable making it less interesting. The actors themselves could be very investible though. I see real opportunities in the music and entertainment industry if they also make it more speculative than it currently is. For me, the big collecting jump will take place when cards and memorabilia eventually tie into the tv/phone by marketing the products during an event.
     
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  6. Reeko

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    Yes, they are.

    I barely care about the MCU anymore…they put out way too much content and oversaturated the market with mediocrity

    now they’re focusing on Z tier characters

    I’m good on all that

    Why I gotta watch 10+ mediocre Disney+ shows to know what’s going on now? I don’t have the energy or motivation to sit through all that

    The latest Captain Marvel movie looks like some doodoo

    Is the new Loki series worth watching? I’m willing to give it a chance if it’s quality.
     
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  7. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    I want to say, maybe the overarching goal isn't the point. It does make it harder to grasp though. Like, when everything was building toward the Avengers and then they dropped absolute bombs on us? It was easy to get in and ride the ride.

    Now? I know they have to rebuild but it feels much like watching Jalen and Jabari and Sengun. There is talent but who is bringing it together?
     
  8. pmac

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    This is basically the answer. It's hard for people who weren't at all familiar with the source material to get it but basically the original Avengers team was comprised of all these big name characters. They essentially replaced them with sidekicks and smaller characters. There were a bunch of poorly written and performed movies in the Infinity saga but people still cared because it was ironman/captain America etc. That 1st Guardians movie was excellent but if it was just ok no one would care about that team. There's a few easy ways they can fix their problems that don't involve them having genius writing and hitting on every movie.

    1. Accept that bringing unknown or minor characters into major roles is not working or rarely working and just stop it.
    2. Accelerate the introduction of the xmen and fantastic 4. Purchase the rights to make a standalone Hulk movie like the Spiderman movies.
    3. Recast major characters. You shouldn't kill off a character if the actor gets too old, or is tired of taking steroids. Ironman/Cap/Black Panther have built in fans and more stories to tell.
     
  9. Blake

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    Don’t care about Marvel anymore. They had a great run but burned me out. Kind of like Star Wars
     
  10. robbie380

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    Me and my wife both liked the last Guardians of the Galaxy movie but that was about it. The last Spiderman wasn't bad either. I don't care about the MCU trash characters they keep rolling out. They nuked themselves by trying to get away from the source material and effectively trying to write their own characters. The multiverse has been a mega flop and there is too much power creep. It's also too open ended and no one cares about it because there are hardly any familiar characters left and the new ones have no development and are generally uninteresting. Less CGI spam and more thoughtful writing would go a long way to reviving things.

    The first episode of the 2nd Loki season wasn't bad.
     
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  11. DreamShook

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    Disney got greedy. it's that simple. they thought they could make a franchise out of every z list hero because it did so well for the avengers and GOTG.

    They should have recast T'Challa too. I think that was the start of the end.

    im also starting to think they didn't really have a plan for the last 10 years of movies, it just kinda worked out cumulating in end game. Feige has been the producer of all this stuff from jump. I suspect that dude was throwing stuff at the wall and thought it was just work out like he did before.
     
  12. A_3PO

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    I have no doubt Kevin Feige had a post-End Game plan well into the future. IMO, he was just too drunk on the Kool-Aid of success to understand that he and the MCU were not invincible and could actually fail.

    I am ridiculously pro-Marvel and enjoyed the run up to End Game. But Feige and Marvel have become so tarnished at this point I no longer root for their success. I've got my popcorn out watching Disney implode as part of my entertainment.

    P.S: I enjoyed Loki S2E1 and hope the next 5 episodes don't fall off the rails. It was so different from the trash of the last several TV series.
     
  13. Xerobull

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    It wasn’t Feige.

    It was Bob Chapek and Victoria Alonso that were driving the massive sub-par Marvel content on smaller and smaller budgets and timelines to boost Disney+ numbers. Of course it all started to fall apart because of the quality and they were effectively fired and Bob Iger came back.
     
  14. A_3PO

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    I don't have links ready for you, but my understanding is the budgets for Marvel's Disney+ TV shows were quite large; sometimes crazy large, including the garbage shows. For the most part, production quality was fine IMO.

    I believe they were low quality because of the uninteresting characters and the pathetic & drawn-out story arcs. Again, Feige thought these pigs would be beautiful just because they had Marvel lipstick.
     
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  15. Jontro

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    marvel should migrate to animation for a decade or two to cool down and reboot. hire dc animation writers and make them millionaires
     

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