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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. basso

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/doctors-without-borders-gaza-says-211024060.html


    • Doctors Without Borders in Gaza said 100% of patients treated on Wednesday were kids.

    • About 1 million children live in Gaza. People under 18 make up nearly half the population.

    • Relief groups said blocked aid is impacting their ability to provide medical care.
    Two days after Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant declared the "complete siege" of Gaza, doctors and aid organizations in the Palestinian territory said the majority of their patients have been children.

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    Doctors Without Borders told Insider that, on Wednesday, in fact, 100% of their patients were children.

    "Today, all of the patients we received at our clinic in Gaza City were children between 10 and 14," Ayman Al-Djaroucha, deputy project coordinator for Doctors Without Borders in Gaza, said on Wednesday. "This is because the majority of the injured in Gaza are women and children, since they are the ones who are most often in the houses that get destroyed in the airstrikes."

    Israel launched retaliatory airstrikes on the Gaza Strip after Hamas, a Palestinian militant group, unleashed a surprise attack on southern Israel that officials say killed 1,000 people and injured at least 2,806 more, including children. It was the worst attack on Israel in its history. It also came as a surprise to most Palestinian residents of the Gaza Strip.

    Israel has responded with a devastating counterattack. Israeli airstrikes have leveled whole blocks, including apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. Israel is also gearing up for an imminent ground invasion.

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    Gaza is a densely populated area about the size of Philadelphia. It is home to about 2.3 million Palestinians. Israel and Egypt have maintained a blockade — preventing the free movement of many goods, as well as people — on Gaza since Hamas beat the secular Palestinian Fatah party in local elections in 2006.

    The territory is surrounded by walls and razor wire and guarded by Egypt and Israel, both of which are hostile governments. After the Hamas attack on Saturday, Israel said it cut deliveries of food, water, electricity, and fuel completely.

    That blockade is one of the biggest concerns for Doctors Without Borders staff, Brienne Prusak, a spokesperson with the nonprofit, told Insider.

    "We're seeing shortages of water, electricity, fuel, and essential medical supplies in hospitals, and our emergency stocks on the ground are limited and will run out quickly if we can't bring in medical equipment and medicines," Prusak said.

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    Steve Sosebee, president of the Palestine Children's Relief Fund, an aid organization with three offices and about 50 staff members in Gaza, said his organization can't provide necessary aid without access to essential medical supplies.

    "Everything that was available has been purchased and distributed within the local markets, and it's impossible to get aid from outside," Sosebee told Insider. "So, really, there's no aid to provide, unfortunately."

    Sosebee said the Palestine Children's Relief Fund is supposed to be treating 12 kids with cancer in their pediatric oncology department in Gaza City. However, their staff aren't able to as they focus on staying alive amid the airstrikes, he said.

    People under 18 make up nearly half of Gaza's population, which means about 1 million children are facing threats of injury or death, Insider previously reported. As of October 11, Israeli airstrikes have killed at least 260 children, the Palestinian Ministry of Health reported.

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    Sosebee said the conflict between Israel and Hamas will have severe impacts on the mental health of children and civilians caught in the crossfire.

    "The impact of kids someday going back to school — where schools are partially damaged or damaged, and being unable to concentrate with the high level of PTSD that the majority of children suffer from — is incomprehensible," Sosebee said. "And in the health sector itself, you have huge overflowing and influx of trauma patients who need to be treated."

    As of October 11, Israel's counterattack has killed about 830 people in Gaza, according to the United Nations.

    "When this ends, we can only imagine the amount of effort and attention that needs to go into trying to repair the damages in Gaza," Sosebee told Insider.
     
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    That is a definite BS move by the Egyptians.

    Luckily Israel with all of their superior technology and ability will temper their response.

    We know families that suffer at the hands of cruel and unnecessary violence will breed a desire for vengeance.
     
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    None of the Arab countries has a leg to stand on, accusing Israel. They know exactly why they do not want the Palestinians in their country.

    In Berlin, Palestinian clans are very involved in organized crime.
     
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    I can see why none of the arab nations around wants innocent palestine civilians suffering under the atrocities of Israel retaliation.

    Similar to the conservative folks around here that keeps btching about the immigrant problem and border crisis, these conservative countries do not want immigrants coming over and "stealing their jobs" or perform criminal actions.


    Also any country willing to open their borders to the palestines will just tempt Israel to keep attacking palestines under the guise of "clearing Hamas". You open your borders now, any future Israel attacks/retaliation (it will happen again) and the international world will apply pressure for you to open your border once more.

    Cruel, but that's how fked up this conflict is.
     
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    don't start none, won't be none.
     
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    The families aren't the ones starting anything.
     
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    lots of "innocent" Germans and Japanese died in WW2.
     
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    Blinken actually did a very good press conference at this moment- maybe I'm just used to sleepy Joe Biden talking, but he is extremely sharp in comparison
     
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    Love this !!!!
     
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    4 out of 5 Israelis blame Bibi for not listening to Egyptian warnings and blame him for not having his military ready.

    Yet the low iq MAGATs in this thread blamed biden lol. Why are you people sincerely so damn dumb @AroundTheWorld @Salvy

    Like why?
     
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    If the Israeli government was serious about a two state solution, it would have dissolved the extra-territorial settlements outside of the 1967 borders and transferred all claims of ownership back to the Palestinians.

    If the Palestinian authority and Hamas was serious about a two state solution, it would have ostracized Hamas and other organizations who commit terrorism Israel.

    Beyond their rhetoric, it’s evident that neither group really wants the other to succeed. Both have powerful elements in their societies that will not settle with anything other than a one state solution with expulsion of the other group.

    Hamas is a terrorist organization.

    Israel prefers a powerful Hamas over a powerful secular Palestinian group because it’s easier to demonize the whole Palestinian block.

    Hamas will not accept any Jewish state.
    Hamas is funded heavily by Iran because it’s a proxy to antagonize Israel. Israel can only use asymmetric warfare on Iran. Iran can only use asymmetric warfare on Israel. If Iran were to weaken or if the people figured out how to overthrow the government, an Arab power would just step up and fill the vacuum. As long as Israel exists as a Jewish homeland, the surrounding Muslim nations populations (and not talking about the various leaders who will make peace) will take this as a splinter on both their ethnic and religious pride.
    Arab Muslims look to their military and political glory achieved during the caliphates and think we were more religious so that must be the missing piece to our stalled way of life. But no amount of piety is going to provide the Arabs with arable land, iron, coal, and potable water.

    This is the last I really have to say about the conflict. I am hurting seeing imagery of and reading stories about the dead Israelis and dead Palestinians. I understand why they hate each other and I understand why they kill each other. But I hate it.
     
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    I condemn Hamas' terrorist actions. They are committing massive human rights violations. They must be defeated at all costs.
     
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    Good. Because this is not a "both sides" thing.

    Israel have every right to defend themselves and eliminate the threat. And I hope they will succeed, sooner rather than later.
     
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    I applaud you.
     
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    Disregard.

    I stand with the USA and our liberal, secular Atlanticist allies.
     

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