Really? usa annexed Afghanistan? Did we annex Iraq? Countries don't annex territory anymore. This isn't the 1600s
We will have to agree to disagree. Israeli forces will absolutely murder Arabs, they have in the past and they will in the future. Likewise, Hamas and other Arab groups have murdered Israeli's and will murder them in the future. There is plenty of blood on the hands of both actors. I agree with you - the best feasible outcome at this point is for the Arabs in Gaza and the WB to be pushed out and taken in by other Arab countries. The problem is that no other countries want them, just like no one wanted the Jews in the 1920's and 1930's. The best solution would be Israel paying Egypt or Jordan to take them -- it is the best bet to end absolute conflict.
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Are you really trying to justify Israel annexing a land where Palestinians have been living for centuries because of a terrorist organization less than half the population voted for?
It's war at this point. Murder is subjective to a point although morally it's definitely wrong, but something governments have to live with as we have in the past with the countless innocent lives have been caught in between our bombs, and the enemy. As long as they follow the Geneva convention rules of war then I will not be condemning their response personally though. War is hell. In order to have a successful ground invasion you MUST have that shock and awe bombing campaign (at least under the modern warfare playbook) before ground troops go in, or your ground troops will be entering into a turkey shoot. Shock and awe bombing campaigns will kill hundreds or thousands of innocent civilians. It happened in Iraq, and it'll happen in Gaza. I said the other day, and will continue to say that I think the only realistic solution I see is eventually the Palestinian population being dispersed all around the globe which will lead to more issues around the globe with immigration and terrorism recruitment. Israel is already laying waste to the Gaza strip, and it'll only become that much more uninhabitable. Even if Israel is able to return Gaza to the status quo minus Hamas holding it's grip, there will just be another Hamas brewing for another future outburst.
It's war. Israel is now actively murdering innocent Palestine people in retaliation for Hamas inhumane actions. Spinning it another way is being disingenuous. But like u said to the victor belong the spoils. Israel will come out on top as always killing as many palestines as possible until the world gets disturbed and interferes to avoid a complete wipe out of palestine.
I'm not trying to justify anything. Me pointing out the fact that the history of man is full of genocide and displacement of people (especially in the Middle East) isn't a justification of anything - it is a fact, the region has long been in turmoil. So, I will not be surprised if Israel continues trying to push out the Arabs in Gaza and the WB.
Will Israel kill innocent civilians?... Yes Will Israel subject innocent civilians to horrific conditions?... Yes Could Israel conduct a successful ground military operation without doing the above??... Probably not. At least not without sacrificing significant casualties on their ground troops and putting the operation in jeopardy. War is Hell, and we should encourage diplomacy that does everything we can to deter war from breaking out. The US taking the measures it took from 2017 till last week failed, and helped lead to this. This is mostly on Israel, Palestine, and the Middle East neighbors not coming up with a solution themselves, but we certainly had a role in it by doing things like moving the capital to Jerusalem for nothing, blowing up Iran deal, etc. America cannot fix everything, and even when we try to avoid war from breaking out it still happens (see Ukraine/Russia), but that doesn't mean we should retreat and do nothing... and it sure as hell doesn't mean we should take the Trump/Kushner approach to foreign policy of lighting a match on a tinder box.
What's happened the past 48 hours and what will happen in the next few weeks will not be self-defense. It's war. Completely different terms. I think we need to be crystal clear about that, and not try and tip the scales here in favor of who we are rooting for like sports fans. This isn't sports guys. Innocent people are going to die by bombs and bullets not intended for them, but them being shot off knowing it's likely have a good chance at being collateral damage.
Yes, war. But if someone declares war on you and you fight back, following the rules of the Geneva convention, it's not murder.
We already discussed this in the thread where Israeli forces murdered a female journalist and tried to cover it up. Israel has murdered civilians, used them as human shields, etc.
The difference between Israel and Hamas is that if someone commits murder on the Israeli side, they will be prosecuted. Commiting murder is all Hamas does.
This is about eliminating the threat, in reaction to the largest mass murder of Jews since the holocaust.
It's war. Killing innocent people living in Gaza isn't considered self-defense especially if Israel keeps doing it. They aren't a threat. Intentionally shelling Gaza, knowingly targeting innocent civilians is a war crime. Cutting off electricity, cutting off food and water into the Gaza strip that also is considered primarily targeting civilians = also a war crime U can't hide behind "self-defense" when Israel is actively and intentionally killing innocent people in Palestine. That being said Hamas committed war crimes (taking hostages, targeting civilians) also, but Israel response and retaliation by attacking everybody in Gaza isn't considered self-defense.
They didn't prosecute them. They tried to cover it up and their cover story was debunked. The troops that murdered her haven't been prosecuted.
