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Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Oct 6, 2023.

  1. ROCKSS

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    Kind of early in the game for blaming isn't it, maybe Egypt is closer to the radicals then we are................pointing to failure already is kind of silly
     
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  2. Bandwagoner

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    In 2014 Hamas abducted and killed three teenagers and the IDF killed 2500?

    Bibi is going to make this his comebacker. I saw parents taking their IDF reservist to the base and they weren't like be careful or anything they were saying hey if your friend dies make sure to focus on killing Hamas.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    2500 x (amount of friends and family members per individual death) = ...

    That's a lot of potential Hamas recruits the IDF created there. Good for arms business.
     
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  4. Bandwagoner

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    So I don't think anyone connected to Hamas is going to make it out of this.

    Whether they are in Qatar or flying over europe a few years from now they are probably ****ed.
     
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  5. fchowd0311

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    And a lot of Palestinians not affiliated with Hamas also will not get out of this.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    It's tooearly to be blaming the guy who's been in sole charge and has reshaped the security and Hamas policies for the last... 15 years?

    Sorry but Netanyahu owns this failure to the core.
     
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    No they're not. Egypt absolutely hates Hamas. They have repeatedly destabilized the Sinai region and have close ties with the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

    The Egyptian border with Gaza is as sealed as the Israeli borders. Egypt as a whole has had pretty mixed relations with Israel but when it comes to Gaza their interest largely line up with Israel's. If Gaza falls apart, Egypt actually suffers the most because they'll inherit a catastrophic refugee crisis.

    Also, its widely known at this point that Israel was also tipped off before the Yom Kippur War. The King of Jordan personally went to Tel Aviv and told them that the Syrians and Egyptians were planning an invasion the next day. Golda Meir's coalition promptly lost the next election as voters turned against her coalition for those intelligence failures.
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    https://www.newsweek.com/israeli-official-calls-doomsday-nuclear-missile-option-1833585

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    "Only an explosion that shakes the Middle East will restore this country's dignity, strength and security!" Gotliv posted. "It's time to kiss doomsday. Shooting powerful missiles without limit. Not flattening a neighbourhood. Crushing and flattening Gaza. ... without mercy! without mercy!"

    Israeli Official Calls for 'Doomsday' Nuclear Missile Option

    An Israeli lawmaker is calling for her nation's military to use nuclear warfare in response to attacks by Hamas.
     
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  9. fchowd0311

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    Just make sure the winds are blowing the right way lol. Or you **** over your own country.
     
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    Colombia has gone full leftie

     
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    How stupid do you have to be to even consider this, and he is an elected politician. If they want to nuke Gaza and make the whole Israel a nuke waste land, go ahead, it would save the rest of the world a whole a lot of headaches.
     
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    [​IMG] this-is-how-israelis-are-reacting-to-the-images-of-dead-v0-y36cwjdsjetb1.png-2.jpeg

    Could be disinformation but every Israeli I've ever known viewed Palestinians as dogs (and same for every Palestinian I've known about Israelis).
     
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  13. Ubiquitin

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    I just wish the two groups would realize they have a lot more in common than they want to admit.
     
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    There was an Adam Sandler movie about that.
     
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    Israel would if it could. They can't because
    The nature of these attacks by Hamas are absolutely horrific.

    Israel is only willing to coexist because they control the laws, land and resources. They aren't willing to allow Palestinians equal opportunity, self-determination, or application of laws.

    Palestinians aren't willing to stop supporting terrorism.
    Egypt likely had more human Intel.
     
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    Israel does not view or treat palestines as equals and treat them as such with all their restrictions and rules making them second tier people. Palestine folks gets triggered, and some terrorists lash out and kill small amount with their inferior weaponary and broadcast their violence to send a message. Israel retaliate by massing murder palestines with superior weapons in "self-defense" forcing palestine into submission and then a peace treaty is made. The palestines are enrage at the lost of their love ones and begins joining the terrorists bc their lives are sht under Israel restriction plotting their next attack.

    Rinse and repeat.
     
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  17. Space Ghost

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    Just come out and state you support Hamas. You are calling them extremist when they are terrorist.
     
  18. DatRocketFan

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    Whoops my bad I will edit it for correctness sake. But u right terrorist r those linked to actions while extremist are linked to thought.

    I tend to just use it interchangeable.

    U are the one grouping palestines and hamas as one. Hamas are extremist/terrorist while palestine arent. I don't support hamas nor do I support Israel mass murdering folks in the name of self defense
     
  19. Space Ghost

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    A person can have extremist views w/out being violent or calling for violence.

    The Palestinian/Israeli relationship is complicated and very messy. Hamas is evil.

    It seems like what Hamas did here was extremely short sighted.
     
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  20. DatRocketFan

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    It takes two to tango hamas is evil and what israel is doing with their laws, restrictions, and use of military might onto the innocent Palestines caught in the crossfire in their hunt for terrorist is also evil.

    And once again I agree that I should have labeled hamas properly they are terrorists noy extremists. I will word check next folks next time labeling Jan 6 folks as extremists when they are really domestic terrorists. Is that also correct?
     
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