No one will take the Palastinians because historically they try to revolt and take over ASAP.....I think Jordan took like 50k of them in the 60s and they immediately tried to overthrow the King. In the Arab world they are the outcasts..... DD
They lived in greater Palestine until Israel declared it would be a state and Egypt and Jordan decided to invade (and lost). Because of nationalism, they do not view themselves as anything but Palestinians. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba The foundational events of the Nakba took place during and shortly after the 1948 Palestine war, including 78% of Mandatory Palestine being declared as Israel, the expulsion and flight of 700,000 Palestinians, the related depopulation and destruction of over 500 Palestinian villagesby Zionist militias and subsequent geographical erasure, the denial of the Palestinian right of return, the creation of permanent Palestinian refugees and the "shattering of Palestinian society".[9][10][11][12] The expulsion of the Palestinians has since been described by some historians as ethnic cleansing.[13][14][15]
Israeli officials have repeatedly stigmatised the term as embodying an 'Arab lie' or as a 'justification for terrorism'. In 2009, the Israeli Education Ministry banned using 'nakba' in Palestinian textbooks for children. In 2011, the Knesset forbade institutions from commemorating the event. According to Neve Gordon, a school ceremony memoralizing the nakba would, under the 2011 law, have to respond to charges that it incited to racism, violence and terrorism, and denied Israel's democratic character, in doing so.[54] In 2023, after the United Nations instituted a commemoration day for the Nakba on 15 May, the Israeli ambassador Gilad Erdan remonstrated that the event itself was antisemitic.[55] Israeli narrative Many Jewish Israelis refer to the period of the Nakba as the birth of the state of Israel and their "War of Independence".[56] Jewish Israelis commonly perceive the 1948 war and its outcome as an equally formative and fundamental event – as an act of justice and redemption for the Jewish people after centuries of historical suffering, and the key step in the "negation of the Diaspora".[56] As a result, the narrative is extremely sensitive to the Israeli identity.[56] As one paper on the subject puts it: "Silence on the Nakba is also part of everyday life in Israel."[57] State funding penalties for Nakba commemoration In May 2009, Yisrael Beiteinu introduced a bill that would outlaw all Nakba commemorations, with a three-year prison sentence for such acts of remembrance.[58] Following public criticism, the bill draft was changed, the prison sentence dropped and instead the Minister of Financewould have the authority to reduce state funding for Israeli institutions found to be "commemorating Independence Day or the day of the establishment of the state as a day of mourning".[59] The new draft was approved by the Knesset in March 2011.[60][61] The implementation of the new law unintentionally promoted knowledge of the Nakba within Israeli society, an example of the Streisand effect.[62]
Hamas should return all the hostages asap and Israel foregoes the ground invasion where many will die. That’s the deal. Take it or leave it.
If Israel disarmed, their bloody corpses would be drug across the Middle East from Lebanon to Yemen. Israel and Israeli's are absolutely hated in the Middle East - and let's not act like the Middle East is a bastion for protecting Jewish, Christians and atheists. The West was arrogant and stupid, supporting the formation and protection of Israel after WWII - and the Palestinians are treated like a subrogated people - but lets not act as if all would be forgiven and at peace if Israel laid down her weapons.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tragic-story-israeli-couple-killed-170311162.html Tragic story of an Israeli couple who killed 7 Hamas militants to save their children "An Israeli couple has killed seven Hamas militants to save their children after the Hamas fighters came to their home. The woman and her husband were killed too."
Hard disagree. Israel could turn Palestine into a pile of ash if it was so inclined. Palestine would love to do that, but lacks the capability.
Talk about Israel should be disarmed and be disbanded or that Israel could turn Palestinians into pile of ashes is the type of unproductive unrealistic atitude that is why it's so hard to get peace. Israel isn't going anywhere. At the sametime the World wouldnt' stand by if Israel undertook genocide on the Palestinians. Neither side is going ato dissapear.
There's way too much history and hostility between the two for long lasting peace to ever occur. It's more likely that Israel will wipe palestine out with force or bleed them out by making their lives miserable and restrict more rights than disarmed themselves. Right now Israel is literally laying seige on gaza, killing, endangering innocent folks in their quest to defeat hamas and no one is batting an eye. Wouldn't b too far fetch that in the future Israel will use self defense as justification to wipe out palestine.
Does Israel not care about being officially recognized as a state? Their very half assed restraint is purely motivated by them being officially recognized and wanting to keep it that way. You want to really hard portray one group of people as disproportionately evil. Bibi the current prime Minister part of the political party that the nation of Israel voted in has a long history of saying genocidal thoughts of Arabs. He is is a man raised in the fire of violent ethnic warfare. His entire teenage life to adult life along with his brother was fueled by hatred of Arabs. To assume there isn't a mass seath of IDF soldiers who are perfectly willing to believe Gaza is insane. Like I bet you think there isn't a large contingent of Americans okay with genocide also. Again, I said this before, people like you need to join a Marine infantry unit to see the dark side of blood lust in western countries. In America and in any developed nation with a modern convential military we have outlets for blood lust youth. In America it's called Marine infantry. In Israel it's the IDF.
It does help their cause - on both sides. Israel gets to be tough and take action. They can use their military now and it will gain support both domestically and abroad. It will help them win elections. For Hama, the suffering will increase the anger at Israel - not Hamas. It will help Hamas recruit more soldiers or terrorists, whatever you prefer to call them. It will solidify them which is really what they want. Hamas doesn't want to see a vibrant thriving Gaza strip as they would likely then lose power to accomplish that. This is why they split with the PA.
I'm pretty sure the reason peace is so hard has nothing to do with meaningless jibber jabber from disinterested onlookers and has a lot to do with the fact you have two groups of people with legitimate claims to territory and a healthy mix of religious overtones underpinning the whole thing. I tend to agree, but then I remember 99.9% of human history is just genocide and hostile takeovers.
Again - neither side likes the other side. Indeed, both sides dehamanize each other and make no mistake - there are a number of people in Israel and in the Westbank/Gaza that would at a minimum cheer the wholesale slaughter of the other side, if not actively partake in the genocide. A lot of Israeli's have laughed and applauded and supported killing the Palestinians over the last 80 years. The Palestinians in many cases have done the same.
The big differences that I see is.... Israel is willing to coexist peacefully with Palestine. Palestine is not willing to have that, and never will be. They will never rest until all Israelis are dead and Palestine has the land. The other big difference is the nature of the horrible Geneva convention violations that Hamas has done in this attack. The nature of these attacks is just completely deplorable and no human being should be in support of them.
