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Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Oct 6, 2023.

  1. MadMax

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    benjamin netanyahu is a piece of garbage and what israel has been doing to palestinians is criminal and wrong...but i dont see how so many can excuse or try to justify what we have seen the last 3 days.

    im someone who went from feeling sympathy for palestine and anger towards israel for the way they treated palestinians to now feeling like the gaza strip should be flattened. seeing all those a**holes spitting on and kicking dead bodies and cheering while they do it. despicable.

    and its disgusting to see pro-palestinian protestors in america protesting in the streets and infront of israeli embassies in the aftermath of this.
     
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    I despise Ben Shapiro most of the time. But the brutality of Hamas should not be understated. These people are pure evil in every sense of the word. WARNING GRAPHIC
    Seeing them trying to behead a Thai national who was still alive with a garden hoe is disgusting and pure evil. Everyone of those need to burn in hell.
     
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    Wasn't he the same poster just happy his family member made it into the NBA or is it somebody else? Politics topics made him into a aggressive raving keyboard warrior, it happens.
     
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    Pay your debts *******
     
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    You can call someone whatever personal words you want. I don't care what any MAGA calls me. I work in Healthcare retail. I've been called the worst.

    The dude posted his address and name and told me to visit him and how he would kill me and I wouldn't leave alive.
     
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    Ah yes u feel anger for how palestine are doing despicable acts and want Gaza to b flatten.

    Do you comprehend what u are even pushing for?

    I find it strange that folks have faux outrage of truly despicable hamas behavior and then push for the Israel to escalate it even further with mass murder of many innocent folks in a shtty situation.

    the difference between hamas and Israel is that israel ain't dumb enough to show the aftermath of their retaliation for you to get angry either.
     
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    Israel's military might means that in one or two days there will be more civilian Palestinian casualties than Israeli casualties. I guess they are premature but they know the inevitiabilty that more Palestinians will die than Israelis because we accept as a Wolrd order collective punishment and subconsciously as a society we place less human value on Palestinians relative to Israeli citizens.
     
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    As I've said before, the best recruiter for Hamas is the IDF.
     
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    We did just pass a trillion infrastructure bill, which will include highway funding and funding for border security so your numbers for that are off...

    We did also pass a CHIP bills will most definitely include R&D for science, so science got a boost .... just not space exploration.... so redo your numbers there.....

    So redo your numbers and get back to me on the "relative importance". Or don't because it's just a futile argument because spending money on Ukraine isn't preventing us from increasing NASA's budget.... or spending money on our citizens. The GOP is preventing that.
     
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    It's no surprise at all. I read this piece a few days ago. Take YouTube's alg and put it on steroids with no filter - that's Musk's X today.

    Worth the read - but here is the TLDR summary: A man was stabbed to death in New York City (the author lives in the neighborhood where the murder took place), and the graphic video was shared widely on Twitter by an inflammatory account that profits from such content, highlighting issues with the platform's algorithms and incentives under Elon Musk's ownership. The author argues for no longer engaging with Twitter, as its new incentive structure encourages abusive content by rewarding divisive posts that generate engagement, while Musk himself enables such behavior.

    The Moral Case for No Longer Engaging With Elon Musk’s X - Bloomberg

    The former Twitter is incentivizing violent content, which will only become worse to stand out to users.

    October 5, 2023 at 5:30 AM CDT
    By Dave Lee
    Dave Lee is Bloomberg Opinion's US technology columnist. He was previously a correspondent for the Financial Times and BBC News.

    A man was murdered in my neighborhood on Monday. Ryan Carson was waiting at a bus stop with his girlfriend just before 4 a.m. when a man stabbed him repeatedly in the chest. The couple had been at a wedding.

    A video of the attack, obtained initially by the New York Post, was soon seized upon by one of X’s newest “stars” — one of those users who has thrived under the new Elon Musk regime at the former Twitter. His feed (which I will not publicize) is a stream of incendiary incidents from around the world, posted several times a day to an audience that is approaching a million followers.

    I don’t follow this account, but X’s algorithm makes absolutely sure that I see what it has to say. A senseless murder is apparently a content opportunity not to be missed. The user’s post on Tuesday contained all the ingredients for success: It was timely. It was shocking. It was an innocent 32-year-old man dying on the streets of New York City. It was a chance, duly taken, to write an inflammatory comment on Carson’s work in public policy, as though it had somehow led to this moment, as though he had it coming.

    As I rode the subway home to Bedford-Stuyvesant, I watched as the video clocked 1 million views, then 2 million. Up up up. Disgusting replies flooded in by the thousands: That’s what you get for supporting woke policies; should have carried a gun; looks planned. By the time I got home, I had deleted the app from my phone.

    I will have to continue to follow X, of course, because it’s part of my job. But it’s time to step back as an engaged user, one who for the past decade has posted several times a day and scrolled countless times more. My eyeballs are no longer for sale to Musk and whatever grotesque content he wants to serve up in front of them.

    Social networks are molded by the incentives presented to users. In the same way we can encourage people to buy greener cars with subsidies or promote healthy living by giving out smartwatches, so, too, can levers be pulled to improve the health of online life. Online, people can’t be told what to post, but sites can try to nudge them toward behaving in a certain manner, whether through design choices or reward mechanisms.

    Under the previous management, Twitter at least paid lip service to this. In 2020, it introduced a feature that encouraged people to actually read articles before retweeting them, for instance, to promote “informed discussion.” Jack Dorsey, the co-founder and former chief executive officer, claimed to be thinking deeply about improving the quality of conversations on the platform — seeking ways to better measure and improve good discourse online. Another experiment was hiding the “likes” count in an attempt to train away our brain’s yearn for the dopamine hit we get from social engagement.

    One thing the prior Twitter management didn’t do is actively make things worse. When Musk introduced creator payments in July, he splashed rocket fuel over the darkest elements of the platform. These kinds of posts always existed, in no small number, but are now the despicable main event. There’s money to be made. X’s new incentive structure has turned the site into a hive of so-called engagement farming — posts designed with the sole intent to elicit literally any kind of response: laughter, sadness, fear. Or the best one: hate. Hate is what truly juices the numbers.

    The user who shared the video of Carson’s attack wasn’t the only one to do it. But his track record on these kinds of posts, and the inflammatory language, primed it to be boosted by the algorithm. By Tuesday, the user was still at it, making jokes about Carson’s girlfriend. All content monetized by advertising, which X desperately needs. It’s no mistake, and the user’s no fringe figure. In July, he posted that the site had paid him more than $16,000. Musk interacts with him often.

    X is now an app that forcibly puts abhorrent content into users’ feeds and then rewards financially the people who were the most successful in producing it, egging them on to do it again and again and make it part of their living. Know this: As the scramble for attention increases, the content will need to become more violent, more tragic and more divisive to stand out. More car crashes, high school fights and public humiliation.

    Decency long left the building at X. It flows from the very top. When former executive Yoel Roth, whom Musk wrongly accused of being a pedophile, warned recently about hate speech on X, CEO Linda Yaccarino’s first reaction was to play down his concerns. On Monday, Musk followed up: “I have rarely seen evil in as pure a form as Yoel Roth.”

    I have. It was on the corner of Malcolm X Boulevard and Lafayette Avenue that Monday night, as replayed to the hordes of baying, heartless ghouls X is happy to host and, in some cases, finance. To continue to engage at length with X is to enable this cycle of behavior. You can count me out.
     
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    All of my numbers were accurate. Your post is nothing but fluff and hand waving. Money is not unlimited.
     
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    Oh, I want Hamas completely destroyed, but flatten the Gaza Strip? If I take that literally for a second - there are 2+ million Palestinians living in that strip. They have nowhere to go. Flattening it would kill an extraordinary number of them. I'm not good with that.
     
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    You didn't account for the Infrastructure Act or CHIPs act, so no, your own example was inaccurate.

    Money isn't unlimited. Let's just not lie and pretend that $100 billion to Ukraine has prevented us from doing anything for our own people.
     
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    It actually is. Resources are limited. Not money.

    The United States has a nuclear arsenal, the world's most powerful military with 12 nuclear powered navel vessels and the dollar is the most trusted currency on the planet.

    The national debt is meaningless.
     
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    How do those change the federal highway administrations budget in 2021?

    Not at all, so my own example was completely factual.
     
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    Why would you only look at the 2021 budget? If that matters so much.... then the Infrastructure Act was signed 11/21. So if you are going to bring up highway spending, why not look at it all?

    You examples were incomplete. Why would you disregard the additional spending on R&D, highway, and border security?
     

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