Do you believe one Palestinian life = one Israeli life? You are so caught up in the methods of how civilians die to the more impactful fact of the scale of civilian deaths experienced by Palestinians relative to Israelis. It's like a 5x magnitude in difference in Palestinians civilian deaths and Israeli civilian deaths. So one side is going to have a larger web of pissed off people.
Also sorry for all the double posts but my stupid phone doesn’t reset the field and it’s hard to delete paragraphs on this phone sounds exactly like how the cartels operate. They’re the reason that their lives are being destroyed but the poor don’t understand that. they just see who is building the new school — without knowing hamas is the reason is was blown up in the first place!
The truth is that Hamas should never have been in power. They won in a rigged election and the people of Gaza didn't have free elections. They won by THREE PERCENTAGE POINTS. THREE Claiming the Palestinians somehow love hamas isn't true. The opinion polling is all fake. They've never had another election since 2006 when they won in a rigged election
Hamas needs the support of human shields, but at the end of the day when the chips are down, they will be the first ones to hide in schools and hospitals... would they do this if they really cared about them? I mean, if I wanted a human shield to give me support -I would feed them and give them empathy as well, up until the point I need the human shields to act like human shields then they simply become assets for Hamas
Do you believe one Palestinian life = one Israeli life? You are so caught up in the methods of how civilians die to the more impactful fact of the scale of civilian deaths experienced by Palestinians relative to Israelis. It's like a 5x magnitude in difference in Palestinians civilian deaths and Israeli civilian deaths. So one side is going to have a larger web of pissed off people. Hamas compromises an army of mentally damaged young males many of whon experienced severe trauma. Their outlet to express their anger is joining Hamas. Our outlet to express our hate for others is joining Marine infantry . Like I said before, the IDF is the best recruiter of Hamas.
Also sorry for all the double posts but my stupid phone doesn’t reset the field and it’s hard to delete paragraphs on this phone sounds exactly like how the cartels operate. They’re the reason that their lives are being destroyed but the poor don’t understand that. they just see who is building the new school — without knowing hamas is the reason is was blown up in the first place! Israel is literally surrounded by Muslim nations filled with religious zealots who despise them. A lot of progress has been made with the actual states but the people still overwhelming despise the Jews. It’s absolutely silly to act like Israel hasn’t had to fight for its literal life since 1947. Israel is the only functioning democracy in the region. Israel is the only nation that allows free worship for Muslims Jews and Christians (except Lebanon and it’s a **** show too). how many synagogues in Egypt? In Saudi? In Jordan? In the UAe? There are mosques in Israel tho.
You’re so caught up in how people die, does it really matter that they murderer 6mil Jews in gas chambers and labor camps? Far more non Jews died from other terrible means. /sarc
Can Gaza get access to their own clean water? I understand there is a massive amount of anti-Semitism in the Islamic community. Any Muslim that says otherwise are shutting their ears, but the fear of other states doesn't prevent them from giving a tad bit more agency to people who live in Gaza.
900 dead... Haaretz going after Netanyahu Netanyahu Bears Responsibility for This Israel-Gaza War Haaretz Editorial Oct 8, 2023 The disaster that befell Israel on the holiday of Simchat Torah is the clear responsibility of one person: Benjamin Netanyahu. The prime minister, who has prided himself on his vast political experience and irreplaceable wisdom in security matters, completely failed to identify the dangers he was consciously leading Israel into when establishing a government of annexation and dispossession, when appointing Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir to key positions, while embracing a foreign policy that openly ignored the existence and rights of Palestinians. Netanyahu will certainly try to evade his responsibility and cast the blame on the heads of the army, Military Intelligence and the Shin Bet security service who, like their predecessors on the eve of the Yom Kippur War, saw a low probability of war with their preparations for a Hamas attack proving flawed. ... However, the military and intelligence failure does not absolve Netanyahu of his overall responsibility for the crisis, as he is the ultimate arbiter of Israeli foreign and security affairs. Netanyahu is no novice in this role, like Ehud Olmert was in the Second Lebanon War. Nor is he ignorant in military matters, as Golda Meir in 1973 and Menachem Begin in 1982 claimed to be. Netanyahu also shaped the policy embraced by the short-lived “government of change” led by Naftali Bennett and Yair Lapid: a multidimensional effort to crush the Palestinian national movement in both its wings, in Gaza and the West Bank, at a price that would seem acceptable to the Israeli public. In the past, Netanyahu marketed himself as a cautious leader who eschewed wars and multiple casualties on Israel’s side. After his victory in the last election, he replaced this caution with the policy of a “fully-right government,” with overt steps taken to annex the West Bank, to carry out ethnic cleansing in parts of the Oslo-defined Area C, including the Hebron Hills and the Jordan Valley. This also included a massive expansion of settlements and bolstering of the Jewish presence on Temple Mount, near the Al-Aqsa Mosque, as well as boasts of an impending peace deal with the Saudis in which the Palestinians would get nothing, with open talk of a “second Nakba” in his governing coalition. As expected, signs of an outbreak of hostilities began in the West Bank, where Palestinians started feeling the heavier hand of the Israeli occupier. Hamas exploited the opportunity in order to launch its surprise attack on Saturday. Above all, the danger looming over Israel in recent years has been fully realized. A prime minister indicted in three corruption cases cannot look after state affairs, as national interests will necessarily be subordinate to extricating him from a possible conviction and jail time. Another Concept Implodes: Israel Can’t Be Managed by a Criminal Defendant A direct line runs between the judicial overhaul and the Gaza war. Netanyahu should emulate Begin and go, but we can’t expect introspection from him. The future inquiry must invrstigate how much time the prime minister devoted to the reform – and how much listening to the military leadership Gidi Weitz Oct 9, 2023 12:28 pm IDT How depressing and upsetting it is today to recall Benjamin Netanyahu’s arrogance under interrogation about Case 2000, one of the three corruption cases against the prime minister. “This is classified, don’t let it leak, okay?” he said, flattering the police investigators with the magic lure of security secrets. And then he explained his doctrine regarding Hamas and Hezbollah. “We have neighbors,” he said, “who are our bitter enemies … I send them messages all the time … these days, right now … I mislead them, destabilize them, mock them, and them hit them over the head.” The suspect then continued his lecture: “It’s impossible to reach an agreement with them … Everyone knows this, but we control the height of the flames.” This arrogant worldview, so disconnected from reality, isn’t the only thing that blew up in Netanyahu’s face, and ours, on Saturday morning. The other “concept” that collapsed was one many good people warned about: the idea that the leadership of the state could be entrusted to a criminal defendant. History will judge everyone who lent a hand to this moral distortion – first and foremost the defendant himself and his fanatic supporters, party colleagues, and partners in the governing coalition, but also the media personalities and jurists who mobilized to kosher this abomination. ... It’s impossible to close your eyes to the reality. There’s a clear connection between the corruption trial, the government’s judicial overhaul, and the greatest failure since the Yom Kippur War of 1973, perhaps even since the establishment of the state. Admittedly, the intelligence agencies failed inconceivably at foreseeing the actual attack. But they warned Netanyahu time and again in recent months that Israel’s enemies had identified a historic weakness, making the likelihood of war higher than it has been since the Second Lebanon War of 2006. Yet instead of quelling Justice Minister Yariv Levin, National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich due to this danger, Netanyahu prioritized ensuring his personal survival and the integrity of his coalition at the price of capitulating to insane, messianic racists. To this end, he turned his domestic rivals into enemies and systematically destroyed the connective tissue that, with great difficulty, held Israel society together. He and his partners in this criminal organization forgot that Israel isn’t Poland or Hungary, but first and foremost a country deeply embroiled in a national conflict. Consequently, it doesn’t have the privilege of entertaining itself with dictatorial games.
6 million Jews got slaughtered. That's the important part. If the Nazis crammed a bunch of Jews into a closed off sardine can and dropped ordinance in that confined area killing 6 million Jews it still would be one of the worst atrocities in human history. You understand my point? There is a larger web of hate and rate through coping with the death of a loved one by the opposing forces on the Palestinian side.
I don’t disagree. And let me make it clear I agree Israel has made grave mistakes in the course of this struggle. I can admit the same about America and our wars. Doesn’t excuse the response. This was going on long before the West Bank and Gaza. And once again it comes back to security — how can you agree to access to the sea and contiguous territory when you STILL won’t acknowledge their right to existence!!! It’s literally in Hamas’ charter to this day!!! It’s like electing a member from a political party that still OFFICIALLY supports segregation/slavery. Even if you thought it was just was an old meaningless charter, it’s their f’ing platform!
Both sides are really saying the other doesn't have a right to exist. Its just expressed differently due to the nature of one being a recognized state and other other not. The way a Zionest would phrase it is that all of Israel belongs to the Jews and when they mean "all" they mean Gaza and the West Bank also. It's akin to US political leaders back in the day never explicitly saying they want to commit genocide of Natives. Instead they used terms like "Manifest Destiny".
And yes, I understand your point — I just don’t think it supersedes the bigger picture. The Israelis feel the exact same way but it’s the Israelis who don’t refuse to recognize Palestinians right to existence. They just aren’t my going to let them form an army on their border and continue to threaten to literally annihilate the them. Israel has no real option here and hamas knows that. That’s why they do it. Because at this point it’s SUICIDE to work with Hamas on any peace solution. Because again HAMAS OFFICIALLY REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE ISRAELS RIGHT TO EXIST!!! This cannot be understated.
I’m sorry. But bull. Israel has never said officially or unofficially that they wouldn’t allow Palestinians to exist. Hamas has officially party documents supporting this position and they’ve been given multiple opportunities to change it and work with Israel. They refused. They. Refused.
Just to clarify, the Apaches were nomadic until they were pushed from the Plains into the Southwest by the Comanches who were their mortal enemies. The Apaches fought wars with Mexico long before white settlers moved into Texas. They raided early Spanish missions in New Mexico, attacked Mexican settlements stealing livestock, kidnapping children, warred and raided the Pima & Navajo tribes after they were pushed into their lands by the Comanches. They continued this lifestyle as Anglo settlers moved into Texas. They were pretty much the Hamas terrorists of the Southwestern tribes.
Stateless people without standing militaries lash out like that often towards the side that is a nation and has a standing military. It's pretty much a constant everywhere in the world.
